Veganism

I don't eat meat but I could never be a vegan. It's a massive commitment and to be fair I don't envy vegans, but I do admire how committed they are and how they can completely change their whole lifestyle for what they believe in. I don't eat meat personally for my own reasons. However, I don't have a problem with people eating meat. I understand it is enjoyable, I don't blame anyone for eating it, we spend our lives completely surrounded by it, we are so exposed to it. Vegans and vegetarians who preach to people, tell them what they should and shouldn't do, are nothing but naive. If everyone didn't eat meat from an early age, I'm sure the majority of people would just be disgusted by the thought of eating a living creature.

I don't like eating meat as I feel cruel on the animals that suffer for it. I know there are all kind of exceptions and technicalities that mean my diet and life choices still cause suffering to animals and I'm trying to adapt my life to do more about this. However, we don't need to eat meat, I just don't see the benefit of it

I would argue we are not even supposed to eat meat as human beings, I genuinely don't believe as a species we are adapted to eat meat, it's just not supposed to happen.
 
There's certainly something admirable about veganism. It's hardly an easy lifestyle choice (certainly wouldn't be mine) and it is generally made with the best of intentions.
People arguing, oh yeah but you're a hypocrite because you use bleach or leave a carbon footprint aren't being realistic. Even vegans have to conform to the norms of our society on some level. That means catching the odd plane and doing what you can to avoid Typhoid. It's grossly unfair to expect others to adopt completely monastic values, simply because they have decided to act upon an empathy towards the suffering of animals. (That's an empathy we probably almost all hold to some degree, in fairness).
In truth, I'll never be a vegan or a vegetarian. Do I feel guilty about that? Heelllll no. If it's a choice between the omega 3 in mackerel warding off arse cancer and senile dimentia or hoping that I eat enough celery to achieve the same, I'll have the fish, please.
That said, I do try to have at least one vegetarian meal in the week. It's purely an instinctive, unscientific, gut feeling I have but I'm not at all sure that meat every day is the healthiest option. I might be wrong but well, it wouldn't be the end of the world, if so.
 
mad4city said:
There's certainly something admirable about veganism. It's hardly an easy lifestyle choice (certainly wouldn't be mine) and it is generally made with the best of intentions.
People arguing, oh yeah but you're a hypocrite because you use bleach or leave a carbon footprint aren't being realistic. Even vegans have to conform to the norms of our society on some level. That means catching the odd plane and doing what you can to avoid Typhoid. It's grossly unfair to expect others to adopt completely monastic values, simply because they have decided to act upon an empathy towards the suffering of animals. (That's an empathy we probably almost all hold to some degree, in fairness).
In truth, I'll never be a vegan or a vegetarian. Do I feel guilty about that? Heelllll no. If it's a choice between the omega 3 in mackerel warding off arse cancer and senile dimentia or hoping that I eat enough celery to achieve the same, I'll have the fish, please.
That said, I do try to have at least one vegetarian meal in the week. It's purely an instinctive, unscientific, gut feeling I have but I'm not at all sure that meat every day is the healthiest option. I might be wrong but well, it wouldn't be the end of the world, if so.
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From what I have read of this thread vegans aren't getting it in the neck. It's the people who are telling other people they are murderers and evil that get it in the neck.
 
AlterEgo said:
However, we don't need to eat meat, I just don't see the benefit of it

I would argue we are not even supposed to eat meat as human beings, I genuinely don't believe as a species we are adapted to eat meat, it's just not supposed to happen.
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The medical evidence seems to differ with you.
 
CTID1988 said:
I'm meat eater, but the canines don't prove we should eat meat. They could of been for defence. A hippo has huge canines but they don't eat meat
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Fair point, but I doubt canine teeth were primarily used for defence during human development, but let's assume you're right and offer up other reasons;
Primitive peoples do not rely solely on plant matter, they hunt and eat animals/insects, without exception. I think we can assume our ancestors were the same.
I may be mistaken about this, but don't vegans/vegetarians have to take a vitamin substitute that's only found in meat?
If so, this would prove beyond doubt that omnivorous diets are our natural diets.
 
TCIB said:
If we never ate meat we would have struggled as a species to get past level one.

Done your weekly meat shop smudge ?
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Fridays is meat shopping day.

Not much this week as one of the neighbours offered me a leg of Llama and that's going to take a week to eat

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smudgedj said:
Fridays is meat shopping day.

Not much this week as one of the neighbours offered me a leg of Llama and that's going to take a week to eat

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Leg of Llama? Looks like there's some good scoffing to be had there mate.
Are they bred for eating, like Ostriches, or do you have to wander around
Patagonia for a week with a bow and poisoned arrows?
 
I don't eat anything with a face, vegetarian. It's a simple rule so I no longer have to think on a plate by plate basis about what might suffer in a somewhat similar way that I might. It's a personal line, a personal principle based on a very rough personal idea about what things on earth have integrated nerve cells complicated enough to feel something somewhat like I do (carrots don't, end of!). It also frees me up from thinking about economic issues of lentil vs cow farming, and from thinking about the diseases dangerous to me that farmed animals have been on the news for over the last few decades. Anyway, arguments about some ultimate right or wrong are pointless because there's no answer. The evolutionary argument is pointless too. Its choice. We know enough about amino acids etc to know we don't NEED meat. I don't preach, I might share my views rather than bomb butchers! Its also personal what you would physically fight against. Question is what do you personally have com-passion for (i.e. notice something of a same feeling in). For me I have compassion for animals to the extent that I don't eat them, and I would fight for them if there's wanton cruelty and only argue for them against farming; I have stronger compassion for humans and so would fight if I saw them farmed. Follow me people: beans, nuts and Quorn (on a barm especially) are cool.
 
donachie&chadvalleybigleague said:
I don't eat anything with a face, vegetarian. It's a simple rule so I no longer have to think on a plate by plate basis about what might suffer in a somewhat similar way that I might. It's a personal line, a personal principle based on a very rough personal idea about what things on earth have integrated nerve cells complicated enough to feel something somewhat like I do (carrots don't, end of!). It also frees me up from thinking about economic issues of lentil vs cow farming, and from thinking about the diseases dangerous to me that farmed animals have been on the news for over the last few decades. Anyway, arguments about some ultimate right or wrong are pointless because there's no answer. The evolutionary argument is pointless too. Its choice. We know enough about amino acids etc to know we don't NEED meat. I don't preach, I might share my views rather than bomb butchers! Its also personal what you would physically fight against. Question is what do you personally have com-passion for (i.e. notice something of a same feeling in). For me I have compassion for animals to the extent that I don't eat them, and I would fight for them if there's wanton cruelty and only argue for them against farming; I have stronger compassion for humans and so would fight if I saw them farmed. Follow me people: beans, nuts and Quorn (on a barm especially) are cool.
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A very good defence of vegetarianism, fair play.
But if you think quorn, beans and nuts on a barm beats ham and mustard, steak, or sausage and bacon, I'm afraid your campaign will fall on deaf ears.
 
Just found out something although I imagine virtually 0 people will find this info useful, but, apparently, Quorn are going to introduce 2 vegan options this month in the Uk. It's a bit weird in a sense, having things that are trying to taste like meat, but it's great that it's more choice for people etc.
 
BlueTangerine said:
Just found out something although I imagine virtually 0 people will find this info useful, but, apparently, Quorn are going to introduce 2 vegan options this month in the Uk. It's a bit weird in a sense, having things that are trying to taste like meat, but it's great that it's more choice for people etc.
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I find it useful mate, thanks for the heads up on this. All the Quorn products currently on sale in the UK contain milk protein as a main ingredient. I enjoyed their foods when I was a vegetarian and before making the correct decision to become a vegan so I will look out for these options with interest.
 
I'd be a vegan or a vegetarian but i'm just a bottleless bastard. Make's me squirm and gets me riled up seeing the mistreatment of animals but I still continue to eat them.

I'm just a bit of a dickhead really and a product of my environment.
 
callumcity said:
I'd be a vegan or a vegetarian but i'm just a bottleless bastard. Make's me squirm and gets me riled up seeing the mistreatment of animals but I still continue to eat them.

I'm just a bit of a dickhead really and a product of my environment.
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Saying that why is it okay for other animals to eat animals but we as animals can't eat other animals.
 
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