Vieira to New York?

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C-Hop25

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Anyone else hear the rumours coming from a number of sources about our Patrick Vieira being linked to the New York City FC managers job?

http://www.eurosport.com/football/m...anage-new-york-city-fc_sto4959610/story.shtml

In my opinion it would be harsh if Jason Kreis were let go. Even though our sister club has a great blend of veteran world class talent in Villa, Lampard and Pirlo, coupled with promising youth prospects in Angelino, Facey with MLS experience in the others - it was always going to be difficult to make the playoffs the 1st time of asking. For a brand new team, this difficult year was to be expected.

However, the prospect of Vieira, moving from EDS manager to his 1st senior managers job within the CFG has got me very excited. I would love to see it! The idea of developing players and staff all "in house" with the City Football Group is amazing.

Just imagine if he did in fact become NYCFC manager and was successful, paving the way to being a future MCFC manager.

Incredible.
 
I hope so. I've gone off Vieira a bit personally. His team's are majorly confusing watches at the academy level and as just a mere fan it can be hugely frustrating. I'm sure there's some grand designs in place, some hidden ideas we're not privy to, but it's still a tad shambolic at times, especially in contrast to the seemingly much more precise methods of Wilcox. I may be wrong cos it may be stuff that's agreed on behind the scenes, but I can't say my impression of Vieira has been that great recently.
 
The story only came out yesterday. The club has already denied the rumours (which also commented that Reyna only kept his DoF job by a whisker).

The NYCFC fans are split on this news but largely unhappy. Not because they want Kreis to stay, because they lost faith in him a long time ago, but because they are tired of NYCFC continually being referred to in terms of MCFC - the team appears incapable of forming its own identity and stuff like this won't help. The recent "Lampard and/or Villa to train in Manchester" talk isn't helping either.
 
Falastur said:
The story only came out yesterday. The club has already denied the rumours (which also commented that Reyna only kept his DoF job by a whisker).

The NYCFC fans are split on this news but largely unhappy. Not because they want Kreis to stay, because they lost faith in him a long time ago, but because they are tired of NYCFC continually being referred to in terms of MCFC - the team appears incapable of forming its own identity and stuff like this won't help. The recent "Lampard and/or Villa to train in Manchester" talk isn't helping either.
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Hey Falastur - I've been on having a read on the NYCFC Forums, and seen your own and other peoples comments on there regarding the issues with MCFC and NYCFC.

I can understand New Yorkers being worried about being used as a feeder team, feeling inferior as if they were "MCFC'S BITCH" and all this! It definitely isn't the case - it's meant to be a mutually beneficial partnership between our sister clubs. I think what CFG need to do is to prove to the fans that building a winning team at NYCFC is a priority - not just using them as a secondary farm for MCFC. If we were competing to win the MLS Cup season after season - there is no doubt that this perception would change.

Angelino and Facey have been fantastic for NYCFC. It mutually benefitted MCFC in aiding their development whilst it also boosted the NYCFC squad massively because these 2 are already better than a lot of talent in the MLS. Why should helping each other out be a problem?

The fact that these rumours of Kreis losing his job are going about further proves that CFG are determined to take NYCFC to the top of the MLS as quick as possible, and finishing outside of the playoffs isn't good enough for them. I think this motivation can only be a good thing.
 
C-Hop25 said:
Anyone else hear the rumours coming from a number of sources about our Patrick Vieira being linked to the New York City FC managers job?

http://www.eurosport.com/football/m...anage-new-york-city-fc_sto4959610/story.shtml

In my opinion it would be harsh if Jason Kreis were let go. Even though our sister club has a great blend of veteran world class talent in Villa, Lampard and Pirlo, coupled with promising youth prospects in Angelino, Facey with MLS experience in the others - it was always going to be difficult to make the playoffs the 1st time of asking. For a brand new team, this difficult year was to be expected.

However, the prospect of Vieira, moving from EDS manager to his 1st senior managers job within the CFG has got me very excited. I would love to see it! The idea of developing players and staff all "in house" with the City Football Group is amazing.

Just imagine if he did in fact become NYCFC manager and was successful, paving the way to being a future MCFC manager.

Incredible.
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Complete and utter bullshit why would Paddy want to go out and manage a bunch of has been's and half wits in league that's equally full of the same. He will love precisely nothing from the experience only he'll be living in a nice warm country and get to rub shoulders with the celeb's when he takes the Mrs/ kids out for slap up.

At some point he's either going to become our next manager when Peller's goes or move on somewhere else. I can well see him going to Arsenal as the number 2 to Wenger initially with the prospect of being groomed to step in when Arsene moves up stairs.
 
Good move for him and us if true.

Get Uwe in to train EDS.

*take blue tinted specs off*
 
C-Hop25 said:
Hey Falastur - I've been on having a read on the NYCFC Forums, and seen your own and other peoples comments on there regarding the issues with MCFC and NYCFC.

I can understand New Yorkers being worried about being used as a feeder team, feeling inferior as if they were "MCFC'S BITCH" and all this! It definitely isn't the case - it's meant to be a mutually beneficial partnership between our sister clubs. I think what CFG need to do is to prove to the fans that building a winning team at NYCFC is a priority - not just using them as a secondary farm for MCFC. If we were competing to win the MLS Cup season after season - there is no doubt that this perception would change.

Angelino and Facey have been fantastic for NYCFC. It mutually benefitted MCFC in aiding their development whilst it also boosted the NYCFC squad massively because these 2 are already better than a lot of talent in the MLS. Why should helping each other out be a problem?

The fact that these rumours of Kreis losing his job are going about further proves that CFG are determined to take NYCFC to the top of the MLS as quick as possible, and finishing outside of the playoffs isn't good enough for them. I think this motivation can only be a good thing.
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I agree but the thing is that cooperation has to be equal if the NYCFC fans are going to accept it. They all loved Facey and Angelino's performances but ultimately they are over there to get practice so that they can play for MCFC. If Pellegrini decides he wanted to call up Angelino to the City first team, which city do you think he'll be in in a month's time? Not NYC, and they know that. If Vieira did go over there, did well for a season and we couldn't sign Pep and wanted Paddy back, do you think they'd wait for his contract in New York to run down? No, they'd just transfer him to Manchester.

In this situation, they aren't ultimately equal. They feel like they are being treated like nothing more than an incubator for our talent. Remember when the Football League clubs were furious when it was suggested that Premier League sign partnerships with FL clubs and use them as place to put all their youth players, right around when the B team idea came out? This is that exact situation.

Honestly, cooperation between the club's can work well but CFG needs to agree to keep the teams completely separate for a few years while the other clubs form identity and so on, and then start interacting later on when each club's sets of fans have become convinced that CFG is not just using them to promote MCFC. So long as they keep tinkering like this, the paranoia is going to increase.
 
Falastur said:
I agree but the thing is that cooperation has to be equal if the NYCFC fans are going to accept it. They all loved Facey and Angelino's performances but ultimately they are over there to get practice so that they can play for MCFC. If Pellegrini decides he wanted to call up Angelino to the City first team, which city do you think he'll be in in a month's time? Not NYC, and they know that. If Vieira did go over there, did well for a season and we couldn't sign Pep and wanted Paddy back, do you think they'd wait for his contract in New York to run down? No, they'd just transfer him to Manchester.

In this situation, they aren't ultimately equal. They feel like they are being treated like nothing more than an incubator for our talent. Remember when the Football League clubs were furious when it was suggested that Premier League sign partnerships with FL clubs and use them as place to put all their youth players, right around when the B team idea came out? This is that exact situation.

Honestly, cooperation between the club's can work well but CFG needs to agree to keep the teams completely separate for a few years while the other clubs form identity and so on, and then start interacting later on when each club's sets of fans have become convinced that CFG is not just using them to promote MCFC. So long as they keep tinkering like this, the paranoia is going to increase.
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Sound, sensible argument!
 
Fine by me,even though i'm sure he commands immense respect within the ranks......i don't think he's doing the best job with the EDS(odd tactics,players out of position,strange subs etc.) so it would be an opportunity to either promote Wilcox or find a replacement.
 
Bit annoyed with myself for not posting my own thoughts on this, last week, when doing the CFG updates!

Personally, I think Kreis hasn't shown any grasp of what he's doing with NYCFC and CFG will learn, sooner rather than later, to adjust rather than prolong things like City did with Clueless.

Huge lesson that was not to play along with trial by media! Kreis has had his chance and can't even find a consistent team at this point!

Vieira going over makes total sense. If Guardiola IS coming, PV is not going to be AM until the last year or two of any extended contract for Guardiola. Moving to NYC would be a promotion. Be there for a couple of years and return.

Makes a LOT of sense and something I've thought would happen for a long time.
 
I've slightly gone off Vieiras managerial abilities in recent times but I can understand at the EDS level the match result isn't the most important element.
He has made strange switches in-game and for me it's been changing things for the sake of it, many times resulting in errors.

He will be a good quality manager but I'm unsure if he will be City's manager anytime soon, with how quick our club has grown we can attract a much better calibre manager who's already at "that" level such as Pep.
Maybe Pep & Paddy in charge :D

Regarding NYCFC, if I was based over there right now and didn't have a club to support and NYCFC were formed by a group which incorporated a English Premier League winning team - I'd be over the moon and thankful that we could take advantage of loaning out potential stars such as Angelino - I wouldn't give a shit about our own clubs identity - my club (City) was formed in 1880/1894 a long fucking time ago so it's had a long time to establish it's own identity.

NYCFC will have this time and eventually will be developing it's own players and so on when those facilities are put in place.... If anything i'd be complaining about the Politics in that state and waiting for planning permission to build these facilities.

There's more than enough people living in the US to form a decent level academy eventually.
This is when NYCFC will have a stronger identity, with less of a reliance on Manchester City.
 
It would be interesting to see if he actually played sensible teams if he was actually in charge of competitive football, or whether he is genuinely just a bit Brendan Rodgers with his love of playing people out of position. He can't do a worse job of organising the NYC team than Kreis, who at no point looks to have instilled anything resembling a system.

I wouldn't be at all bothered to lose him as EDS manager, I don't doubt that Wilcox could step up and do just as good, if not a better job. His main value seems to be in his reputation and the aura that produces with young players. Not sure his managerial skills are anything special
 
FantasyIreland said:
Fine by me,even though i'm sure he commands immense respect within the ranks......i don't think he's doing the best job with the EDS(odd tactics,players out of position,strange subs etc.) so it would be an opportunity to either promote Wilcox or find a replacement.
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I'm not really sold about Vieira either. The troubling thing about what you highlighted as Vieira's problems are that those things are a fundamental part of why Kreis has struggled so much in NYC. Replacing him with a manager who has the exact same faults doesn't seem sensible.
 
Falastur said:
The story only came out yesterday. The club has already denied the rumours (which also commented that Reyna only kept his DoF job by a whisker).

The NYCFC fans are split on this news but largely unhappy. Not because they want Kreis to stay, because they lost faith in him a long time ago, but because they are tired of NYCFC continually being referred to in terms of MCFC - the team appears incapable of forming its own identity and stuff like this won't help. The recent "Lampard and/or Villa to train in Manchester" talk isn't helping either.
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Falastur said:
The story only came out yesterday. The club has already denied the rumours (which also commented that Reyna only kept his DoF job by a whisker).

The NYCFC fans are split on this news but largely unhappy. Not because they want Kreis to stay, because they lost faith in him a long time ago, but because they are tired of NYCFC continually being referred to in terms of MCFC - the team appears incapable of forming its own identity and stuff like this won't help. The recent "Lampard and/or Villa to train in Manchester" talk isn't helping either.
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i agree. MCFC should pull their financial backing and let NYCFC be its own identity complete with all the fucking orange in the kits their precious hearts can manage. I mean, how dare we think of NYCFC and MCFC being related when they share a CEO.
 
Falastur said:
I agree but the thing is that cooperation has to be equal if the NYCFC fans are going to accept it. They all loved Facey and Angelino's performances but ultimately they are over there to get practice so that they can play for MCFC. If Pellegrini decides he wanted to call up Angelino to the City first team, which city do you think he'll be in in a month's time? Not NYC, and they know that. If Vieira did go over there, did well for a season and we couldn't sign Pep and wanted Paddy back, do you think they'd wait for his contract in New York to run down? No, they'd just transfer him to Manchester.

In this situation, they aren't ultimately equal. They feel like they are being treated like nothing more than an incubator for our talent. Remember when the Football League clubs were furious when it was suggested that Premier League sign partnerships with FL clubs and use them as place to put all their youth players, right around when the B team idea came out? This is that exact situation.

Honestly, cooperation between the club's can work well but CFG needs to agree to keep the teams completely separate for a few years while the other clubs form identity and so on, and then start interacting later on when each club's sets of fans have become convinced that CFG is not just using them to promote MCFC. So long as they keep tinkering like this, the paranoia is going to increase.
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Pretty much every loan is of primary benefit to both player and parent club.
 
grandsolo said:
i agree. MCFC should pull their financial backing and let NYCFC be its own identity complete with all the fucking orange in the kits their precious hearts can manage. I mean, how dare we think of NYCFC and MCFC being related when they share a CEO.
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Ahh, grandsolo. I knew I could count on you to have no intention of actually reading my argument and instead pretend that I made a point you find easier to rail against.

Blue Smarties said:
Pretty much every loan is of primary benefit to both player and parent club.
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I agree, in on-pitch terms. But is it fair to the other club to be given a load of players who they know they are only going to get 1-2 years out, knowing that if they show the slightest promise it's a guarantee that that player will not be returning because he's definitely going to be snaffled back up by the parent club? At least in the majority of loans, clubs do not tend to loan the same team consistently. Even in the cases where they do, those clubs do not also have to put up with the various other branding links NYCFC has got with us - links that CFG promised would not be made when the club was first unveiled.
 
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