Whaley Bridge shooting

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I honestly don't know the ins and outs of our Jury system, so all of this is supposition on my part.

I do know that juries in this country are unpredictable. In the Bristol Colston statue case the jury returned a not guilty verdict when it seemed the four defendants were clearly guilty of criminal damage.

So if the jury in this case shared the views expressed by @LangleyBlue1970 and @GaudinoMotors on this thread could the result be not guilty?

Genuinely interested in knowing more about this.

They could be if they ignored the information regarding him telling the police that he was expecting them to return and that he’d sit waiting for them ready to shoot and kill them, then actually doing it.

That’s as premeditated a murder as it gets.

So, unless a juror decides to ignore how the law works, he’ll get convicted of murder.

You can’t not convict because the victim was a ****!

In the unlikely outcome where 3 do this, it’d probably be a retrial.

 

[melrose40yarder]

Where do you draw the line? Would you advocate shoplifters being shot in the face at point blank range?

How about fare dodgers on the tram?

No but like i said there has to be a detterant shoplifters for instance as long as they lift less than £1000 worth of stock get a £90 fine that cant be right.Sorry if this seems extreme stick em in a cell maybe feed them maybe not chuck em a blanket.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

No but like i said there has to be a detterant shoplifters for instance as long as they lift less than £1000 worth of stock get a £90 fine that cant be right.Sorry if this seems extreme stick em in a cell maybe feed them maybe not chuck em a blanket.

I get it’s emotive, but you can’t execute people for being a scrote.

These two should have been in prison already, but the system has failed and they’ve paid the ultimate price.

I feel sorry for the farmer, but you can’t just execute people.

 

[mexico1970]

Are we still talking about Tony Martin here who had his sentence reduced to manslaughter served 3 years and is now living back in the house he shot the thieves?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Are we still talking about Tony Martin here who had his sentence reduced to manslaughter served 3 years and is now living back in the house he shot the thieves?

My daughters know these lads.
They broke in the night before and apparently nicked 20k.
Went back the next day to nick his guns so they could Rob a farm not far away that has a big weed grow.
Only thing is they told every fucker they were going back.
The farmer was waiting shot one point blank in the face apparently.
But he's been charged with pre meditated murder.
He had been broken into 17 times in the last 2 years and told the police next time I will shoot them.
He's meant to be a really nice guy .
Little bastards got what they deserved

 

[GortonBlue62]

They could be if they ignored the information regarding him telling the police that he was expecting them to return and that he’d sit waiting for them ready to shoot and kill them, then actually doing it.

That’s as premeditated a murder as it gets.

So, unless a juror decides to ignore how the law works, he’ll get convicted of murder.

You can’t not convict because the victim was a ****!

In the unlikely outcome where 3 do this, it’d probably be a retrial.

It's not unlikely. Many people share the opinion that that the law is wrong on this issue and that this guy had every right to act as he did.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

It's not unlikely. Many people share the opinion that that the law is wrong on this issue and that this guy had every right to act as he did.

That’s not how being a juror works.

 

[Ducado]

The laws are crazy.

Oh no go on Mr Burglar, you fill your boots ransacking my house. Do you want a brew? I'll go and start loading the stuff into my car for you. Not a problem.

You should be allowed to beat the living shit out of some skank breaking in AND not be found guilty.

This fuckin country.

You are, it's up to a judge and jury to decide if reasonable force has been used, and that's how it should be

 

[GortonBlue62]

That’s not how being a juror works.

In which case there would never be controversial jury verdicts. Juries are unpredictable.

 

[melrose40yarder]

I get it’s emotive, but you can’t execute people for being a scrote.

These two should have been in prison already, but the system has failed and they’ve paid the ultimate price.

I feel sorry for the farmer, but you can’t just execute people.

You may change your tune if anything happens to you or yours.Some years ago 2 undesirables broke into my fathers pub tied him to a chair poured petrol over him made him give the safe combination then through him out of the window luckily they threw him out of the one with a 5ft drop to a flat roof if they had used the next window he would have been seriously injured or dead. They got 10 yrs that is not right.