What has the UK become under the far right influence?

Kompany Car said:
It is a hard read, it is notable that...

"Belgium reportedly denied him asylum by arguing that Basra, his hometown in Iraq, was classified as a safe area. He said his children spent the last seven years staying with a relative in Sweden, but that he was recently informed that they would be deported, with him, to Iraq."

I do think that there is a bit of an image on this thread that other countries are more welcoming and that the UK is an outlier, which is clearly not the case. Of course that doesn't help people like this poor bugger.
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Not "more welcoming", just taking many more than the UK.
 
grunge said:
Its an urban myth that you have to apply for Asylum in the 1st safe country.

freemovement.org.uk

Should refugees claim asylum in the first safe country they reach? - Free Movement

Over and over again we hear that refugees should claim asylum in the first safe country the reach. There are variations on the theme. Genuine refugees claim
freemovement.org.uk freemovement.org.uk

the vast majority of the people trying to get here already have family links here too and get granted asylum at the end of the day.
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It's not an urban myth. It's government disinformation.
 
hilts said:
And whats the penalty for ignoring international law?
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No penalty: Sunak gets to stand up in Parliament today and come up with such hypocritical nonsense as "we can't have cherry picking of important international agreements". (Laughter in the Chamber, so I suppose the penalty is at least ridicule, reputational damage, and losing an election as the electorate realises how awful the Tories have become.)
 
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Vic said:
No penalty: Sunak gets to stand up in Parliament today and come up with such hypocritical nonsense as "we can't have cherry picking of important international agreements". (Laughter in the Chamber, so I suppose the penalty is at least ridicule, reputational damage, and losing an election as the electorate realises how awful the Tories have become.)
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They have lost it already and rightly so the fuckers but its got nowt to do with Rwanda or reputational damage.

Anyhow the months are ticking by, not long now.
 
Chris in London said:
You first sentence is wrong.

The rest of the post went downhill from there.
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Why is it wrong? Is there a single convention or law that suggests we must take refugees before they arrive in the UK?International law is currently actually protecting us from that requirement. If not then we'd have taken some share of the millions that Germany and the rest of Europe has already accepted.

There is literally zero precedence or convention which suggests that we must act to stop people from taking a risk to come here, zero. Our obligation to process and potentially accept an asylum seeker begins only on the day that somebody arrives in the UK and claims asylum. We don't even know they exist until then.

You only have to ask why are the French not helping asylum seekers who want to come to the UK but are in Calais? They aren't helping them because those people have not claimed asylum in France and so France has absolutely zero obligation to help them. The fact that France and Europe has decided not to enforce their borders and laws on illegal migration is another matter.
 
inbetween said:
Why is it wrong? Is there a single convention or law that suggests we must take refugees before they arrive in the UK?International law is currently actually protecting us from that requirement. If not then we'd have taken some share of the millions that Germany and the rest of Europe has already accepted.

There is literally zero precedence or convention which suggests that we must act to stop people from taking a risk to come here, zero. Our obligation to process and potentially accept an asylum seeker begins only on the day that somebody arrives in the UK and claims asylum.

You only have to ask why are the French not helping asylum seekers who want to come to the UK but are in Calais? They aren't processing them because those people have not claimed asylum in France and so France has absolutely zero obligation to them. The fact that France has decided not to enforce laws on illegal migration is another matter.
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Yeah...but apart from that?
 
inbetween said:
This seems unlikely because I thought the migrants were paying traffickers thousands of £ to get here?
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It was tongue in cheek - besides the person in question didn’t arrive here by crossing the Channel in a boat. He was a student who overstayed his visa and jumped at the chance to continue his studies in a warm climate at the British tax payers expense.

In other news 711 people arrived today - one if the single biggest landings. Good news that they all arrived safely.

The Govt deterrent scorecard currently stands at minus 710. The lads have it all to do the second half. ‘Can they pull it back, Gary?’ ‘Not a chance, Peter, not a chance. It’s all over.’
 
inbetween said:
Why is it wrong? Is there a single convention or law that suggests we must take refugees before they arrive in the UK?International law is currently actually protecting us from that requirement. If not then we'd have taken some share of the millions that Germany and the rest of Europe has already accepted.

There is literally zero precedence or convention which suggests that we must act to stop people from taking a risk to come here, zero. Our obligation to process and potentially accept an asylum seeker begins only on the day that somebody arrives in the UK and claims asylum. We don't even know they exist until then.

You only have to ask why are the French not helping asylum seekers who want to come to the UK but are in Calais? They aren't helping them because those people have not claimed asylum in France and so France has absolutely zero obligation to help them. The fact that France and Europe has decided not to enforce their borders and laws on illegal migration is another matter.
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They're in the Schengen zone so enforcing all borders would be a bit difficult.

There are some borders within Schengen that countries have unilaterally closed, the footbridge at Hendaye (border with Spain) is one I've personally seen.

Profiling people that don't look Western European for identity document checks would also be racist and against their own equality laws.
 
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inbetween said:
You only have to ask why are the French not helping asylum seekers who want to come to the UK but are in Calais? They aren't helping them because those people have not claimed asylum in France and so France has absolutely zero obligation to help them. The fact that France and Europe has decided not to enforce their borders and laws on illegal migration is another matter.
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as I pointed out in early 2016 and dozens of times since its Brexit. Leaving the EU means we left the Dublin 3 agreement and became a 3rd country. From that point anyone leaving France to come here ceases to be an EU problem so ask yourself this. If - and at the moment its mostly anecdotal - there are refugees moving from NI to ROI - that is in any way different to boat crossings?
 
mexico1970 said:
Yeah...but apart from that?
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Didn't you vote for Brexit?

I know you've claimed the opposite several times. But you were a Farage fanboy long before the referendum so I'm not sure I believe you.

It's none of your business what the French do because you voted yourself out of the European Union.
 
inbetween said:
Why is it wrong? Is there a single convention or law that suggests we must take refugees before they arrive in the UK?International law is currently actually protecting us from that requirement. If not then we'd have taken some share of the millions that Germany and the rest of Europe has already accepted.

There is literally zero precedence or convention which suggests that we must act to stop people from taking a risk to come here, zero. Our obligation to process and potentially accept an asylum seeker begins only on the day that somebody arrives in the UK and claims asylum. We don't even know they exist until then.

You only have to ask why are the French not helping asylum seekers who want to come to the UK but are in Calais? They aren't helping them because those people have not claimed asylum in France and so France has absolutely zero obligation to help them. The fact that France and Europe has decided not to enforce their borders and laws on illegal migration is another matter.
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That's a very good point in fairness, our legal obligation starts when they enter the country.
 
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