What has the UK become under the far right influence?

inbetween said:
Germany is effectively landlocked and given the porous borders in Europe they basically didn't have much choice. Merkel essentially said that they will accept everyone and the result is Germany swelled its population by millions over just a few years. Whether that decision was a good or bad thing for Germany is something for Germans to decide.

By the way, if you put a border post in France then doesn't that create a huge incentive for traffickers to sell more dangerous trips across the Mediterranean to bring people to France so that they can claim asylum here? 10x more people have died crossing the Mediterranean versus the Channel.
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Germany is the destination of choice and it suits their labour needs. I don‘t see why being landlocked makes a difference?

They are making the journey anyway. Eliminating one leg of peril is simply the humane thing to do, as opposed to watching bodies wash up on our beaches. It’s not hard to treat people with dignity. The fact that we don’t (not that we are alone in this) says more about us then it does about them.
 
hilts said:
Then that can only mean that we can't be arsed putting resources into it and once here it's easier to just let them stay or France are sending away shit loads of deserving cases.

Yet again I'm sure our EU/asylum loving posters would be all over that.
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Do these “deserving cases” even apply to stay in France.. I doubt it very much.. The majority of people in boats have travelled through more than one safe haven before landing on our shores…

That has to be our fault as a country for making things far too easy for anybody who does arrive..
 
hilts said:
So we both can't think of one, we got there eventually. Anyhow this Rwanda nonsense will be gone soon enough and it's Labour's turn to solve the unsolvable.

Good luck with that.
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They believe that it’s best for their family. That is their reasoning. Some can’t fathom that decision, some can.
 
Bluemanc100 said:
Do these “deserving cases” even apply to stay in France.. I doubt it very much.. The majority of people in boats have travelled through more than one safe haven before landing on our shores…

That has to be our fault as a country for making things far too easy for anybody who does arrive..
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We don’t make it easy, we make it extremely difficult. For starters we make them cross the channel in dinghies.
 
hilts said:
So we both can't think of one, we got there eventually. Anyhow this Rwanda nonsense will be gone soon enough and it's Labour's turn to solve the unsolvable.

Good luck with that.
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It isn’t unsolvable. You provide safe passage, process the claims in a timely manner and return those that fail back to France via a deal with France/EU as part of an overall asylum policy.

The Govt chooses not to solve the issue. Whether Labour grasp the nettle on this remains to be seen.
 
Bluemanc100 said:
Do these “deserving cases” even apply to stay in France.. I doubt it very much.. The majority of people in boats have travelled through more than one safe haven before landing on our shores…

That has to be our fault as a country for making things far too easy for anybody who does arrive..
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We have had a long standing issue with saving money by doing fuck all. We don't do infrastructure planning or investment.This applys to all sorts of shit. This is all for show. This govt is very happy for high immigration(and asylum seekers) as long as the Great British public are unaware of it.

We are all dispoable items of production. They used to blame the EU now they need another fall guy. Some of us predicted this. If the UK and France could make these people dissappear they would do.
 
BobKowalski said:
It isn’t unsolvable. You provide safe passage, process the claims in a timely manner and return those that fail back to France via a deal with France/EU as part of an overall asylum policy.

The Govt chooses not to solve the issue. Whether Labour grasp the nettle on this remains to be seen.
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Are the old we will just negotiate a deal with France claptrap. Pmsl. The naivity is slightly worrying.
 
hilts said:
So we both can't think of one, we got there eventually. Anyhow this Rwanda nonsense will be gone soon enough and it's Labour's turn to solve the unsolvable.

Good luck with that.
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Rwanda with a sad face .... until the sunlit uplands;-)

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hilts said:
Are the old we will just negotiate a deal with France claptrap. Pmsl. The naivity is slightly worrying.
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We already have a deal with France do we not? The issue is a problem for both countries and for Europe/EU as a whole. We tried to opt out of the problem and found that the problem wouldn’t let us opt out.

France/EU can do a deal with the UK. Our ‘problem’ will be the price.
 
inbetween said:
Legal migration is already adding a city the size of Bristol to our numbers every single year. Is it physically possible to build houses, schools, hospitals and infrastructure equivalent to the size of Bristol in one year?
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Not without immigrant labour.

The Co-op arena and our new North Stand are being built by immigrants.
 
BobKowalski said:
We don’t make it easy, we make it extremely difficult. For starters we make them cross the channel in dinghies.
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Nobody makes them climb into dinghies… they do it for (largely) economic reasons…. I haven’t seen one gun to their head forcing them to risk life and limb to get to our shores…. They have ample chance to claim asylum in mainland Europe but choose not to
 
hilts said:
We have had a long standing issue with saving money by doing fuck all. We don't do infrastructure planning or investment.This applys to all sorts of shit. This is all for show. This govt is very happy for high immigration(and asylum seekers) as long as the Great British public are unaware of it.

We are all dispoable items of production. They used to blame the EU now they need another fall guy. Some of us predicted this. If the UK and France could make these people dissappear they would do.
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They do make them disappear… into small boats
 
LangleyBlue1970 said:
Couldn’t agree more. Whenever I put this to people (about France) they rarely have an answer.
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Adapted from the Refugee Council's explanation. (Of course, you've googled "why do people risk crossing in boats?")

It’s important to first acknowledge the global context, which is that the vast majority of refugees – 72% – live in a neighbouring country to the one they have fled (because they hope to go home). Other European countries including France receive many more asylum applications than the UK. The people who do come to the UK to claim asylum represent a tiny proportion of refugees globally. Here are some of the factors that lead to them seeking protection here.

  • Family and community. Seeking out family and community is a human impulse, and it is only natural for refugees to want to be reunited with their loved ones. With the UK’s restricted pathways to family reunion, however, refugee families torn apart by war are forced to face indefinite separation or make the desperate choice to risk their lives to be reunited.
  • What is safe? A country that you consider “safe” may not feel safe to every individual. Refugees may have had bad experiences in a country that make them feel unsafe or unwelcome. Or they may have had difficulties accessing that country’s asylum system. Poor living conditions and lack of food, shelter and healthcare are also factors that push people to take even greater risks in their journey to safety.

You may feel that competing with other countries as to how to be nasty is the way to go. I think you're in a minority.
 
Vic said:
Adapted from the Refugee Council's explanation. (Of course, you've googled "why do people risk crossing in boats?")

It’s important to first acknowledge the global context, which is that the vast majority of refugees – 72% – live in a neighbouring country to the one they have fled (because they hope to go home). Other European countries including France receive many more asylum applications than the UK. The people who do come to the UK to claim asylum represent a tiny proportion of refugees globally. Here are some of the factors that lead to them seeking protection here.

  • Family and community. Seeking out family and community is a human impulse, and it is only natural for refugees to want to be reunited with their loved ones. With the UK’s restricted pathways to family reunion, however, refugee families torn apart by war are forced to face indefinite separation or make the desperate choice to risk their lives to be reunited.
  • What is safe? A country that you consider “safe” may not feel safe to every individual. Refugees may have had bad experiences in a country that make them feel unsafe or unwelcome. Or they may have had difficulties accessing that country’s asylum system. Poor living conditions and lack of food, shelter and healthcare are also factors that push people to take even greater risks in their journey to safety.

You may feel that competing with other countries as to how to be nasty is the way to go. I think you're in a minority.
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What a load of bollocks.
 
BobKowalski said:
We already have a deal with France do we not? The issue is a problem for both countries and for Europe/EU as a whole. We tried to opt out of the problem and found that the problem wouldn’t let us opt out.

France/EU can do a deal with the UK. Our ‘problem’ will be the price.
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The deal will mean we take our 'fair share' you know it and so do I.
 
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