What has the UK become?

stonerblue said:
Hmmm?
I know the RF councillors and the work they have done in the last 3 years. They have been out and about in the community and actually listen to the populus which, given all the other parties have been conspicuous by their absence, has made them quite popular
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What have they done?

Ah, just looked at their website. They're NIMBYs.
 
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Regarding Stuart Everett. Another park has now been closed down. Parr Fold in Walkden. Linked to the same murder that has also seen Boggart Hole Clough shut for the last three weeks.

Some sick shit, that. Disposing of him all over the place.
 
What has the UK become?
On the face of it the question is just another version of the perennial "ain't we shit" so beloved by political affiliates (of all sides) not getting their own way. However, I think what has happened is not politically based at all but social and can be summed up by two phrases and one huge social change.

1: The harder I work the luckier I become.
2: From the cradle to the grave (usually associated with the NHS but can be applied in multiple instances)
3: Social change is the huge influence of women in all aspects of life since they were given the vote in 1928(?). Which is obviously correct if you believe in democracy.

My whole argument is that the greater influence of women has meant we have moved from an ultra competitive, testosterone, macho, winner takes all attitude to a much more gentler, caring, work/life balanced, quality over quantity attitude.

So, "The harder I work the luckier I become" phrase is pointing out you will not become or remain a champion world beating country by having a work/life balance because someone else somewhere will just have a work/work balance and overtake us.

The second phrase "From the cradle to the grave" is beloved by very many (utterly detested by others). It sounds great but usually means the middle and upper classes making 'pets' out of the working class. For me, going back to Darwin and 'survival of the fittest' and 'natural selection' it takes out that necessary competitiveness to achieve economic success.

Bottom line: No one get's it all. We can be an economic powerhouse (which means working longer and harder) or we can become a more caring, feminine dominated society but have to accept we will be less competitive and presumably poorer.
 
Palerider said:
What has the UK become?
On the face of it the question is just another version of the perennial "ain't we shit" so beloved by political affiliates (of all sides) not getting their own way. However, I think what has happened is not politically based at all but social and can be summed up by two phrases and one huge social change.

1: The harder I work the luckier I become.
2: From the cradle to the grave (usually associated with the NHS but can be applied in multiple instances)
3: Social change is the huge influence of women in all aspects of life since they were given the vote in 1928(?). Which is obviously correct if you believe in democracy.

My whole argument is that the greater influence of women has meant we have moved from an ultra competitive, testosterone, macho, winner takes all attitude to a much more gentler, caring, work/life balanced, quality over quantity attitude.

So, "The harder I work the luckier I become" phrase is pointing out you will not become or remain a champion world beating country by having a work/life balance because someone else somewhere will just have a work/work balance and overtake us.

The second phrase "From the cradle to the grave" is beloved by very many (utterly detested by others). It sounds great but usually means the middle and upper classes making 'pets' out of the working class. For me, going back to Darwin and 'survival of the fittest' and 'natural selection' it takes out that necessary competitiveness to achieve economic success.

Bottom line: No one get's it all. We can be an economic powerhouse (which means working longer and harder) or we can become a more caring, feminine dominated society but have to accept we will be less competitive and presumably poorer.
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First off, I want to be a cat if adopted. Preferably by a wealthy woman with banging breasts. Secondly, it’s a hard no on the work harder and longer option. If people want to work themselves into an early grave then have at it, but I’ll go for the European model. Social safety nets, generous pensions, starting work at ten and taking August off.

You get one life, so fucking milk it - I may trademark this motto and become a life coach.
 
BobKowalski said:
First off, I want to be a cat if adopted. Preferably by a wealthy woman with banging breasts. Secondly, it’s a hard no on the work harder and longer option. If people want to work themselves into an early grave then have at it, but I’ll go for the European model. Social safety nets, generous pensions, starting work at ten and taking August off.

You get one life, so fucking milk it - I may trademark this motto and become a life coach.
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When i first read this i thought.....Starting work at 10. That's a bit young! Lol.......
 
BobKowalski said:
First off, I want to be a cat if adopted. Preferably by a wealthy woman with banging breasts. Secondly, it’s a hard no on the work harder and longer option. If people want to work themselves into an early grave then have at it, but I’ll go for the European model. Social safety nets, generous pensions, starting work at ten and taking August off.

You get one life, so fucking milk it - I may trademark this motto and become a life coach.
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Yes, I know that if we had an election you would get elected and I would not be getting my deposit back! However, to jump on the moral high ground (and why not), if sustainability and leaving something for future generations matters then we have to at least be as competitive as other countries. Otherwise we are just in a very, very slow Fall of the Roman Empire type scenario.
 
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