Where did U****d's money come from?

[Deleted member 14625]

One of the big jibes i hear from United fans, and i've read a fair deal of it when links are posted on here from Ragcafe, is that "United are a proper good club built from honest foundations and City are just a whore that have got undeservedly lucky with an Arab owner pumping money into them..."

It's the same shit they all believe like they're brainwashed into thinking and saying it, or simply they do not know the history of their club (which is highly likely!). Because if you delve back into history you see two examples of the Rags being in serious financial trouble and winning very little, or nothing at all, and being saved by a sugar Daddy who laid a platform for them to succeed from being a complete failure of a club. In 1902, when they were still Newton Heath, they were served with a winding up order as their debts were massive - unlike the football club who were reknowned for playing woeful football and getting crowds of just 4000 at Bank Street. Then John Henry Davies came along and pumped a load of money into them from nowhere. Davies took advantage of the FA's dodgy dealings when they expelled numerous City players from playing for City and signed City's stars. Later that decade United won the League twice and the FA Cup. SUCCESS, BOUGHT!

Then they went on the current Manchester record without winning a trophy - 37 years. They were failing as a club again. Their football was shite and they were pulling in average season attendances of 11000 at the Theatre of Drips. Low and behold, just as United were about to go bankrupt, another sugar Daddy came along to save their bacon. James W. Gibson pumped a load of money into that football club, who just previously couldn't even afford to buy their own kits and were given hand-outs of old kits by City (hence the term Rags!), from nowhere. Over the next decade they won promotion, had three League runner-up finishes and won the FA Cup. SUCCESS BOUGHT! From there United laid the platform from which they spawned the Busby Babes.

Without them being invested in by mega-rich owners, Manchester United would... well, there would be no Manchester United because they weren't winning trophies, they had no fans, they were a fucking shit club with no money!

City have had a period very similar to United in their history, over the last 35 years. We have, however, pulled in better crowds than they did in their dark days! We were looking like we were in fanancial bother, we may well have been investigated by HMRC or the Premier League/FA and may well have had winding up orders. But we managed to get ourselves our own suger Daddy to come along and save our bacon, who is laying the foundations for us to succeed in the coming decades.

Why is it a crime for it to be happening to us, yet they don't seem to have a problem with it happening to them?

Later down the line United had a mad, half-gencidal maniac who owned them. He was selling unedible food to schools! Yet the money he got from that he used to buy players for United. Ethically and morally correct? I don't think so! In the 70's and 80's United won relatively few trophies - they went over a quarter of a century without winning the league - yet they spent more money on players than any other club, breaking transfer records along the way. But the FA Cups and League Cups they won = SUCCESS BOUGHT!

Then, just as all that money they'd spent had them fairly near the top of the league (although City had finished above them in 1991), attendances started rising in English football and sponsors started putting more moeny into the sport. Sky then came along and a huge injection of money came into the newly formed Premiership (later what is now the Premier League). United had finished second the season before, with just Russell Beardsmore and Ryan Giggs being the two and only players United had developed themselves; everyone else was bought, many for record fees. In 1993, United won the league. SUCCESS BOUGHT!

From there United grew as a football club after being no more successful than a current day Aston Villa at the time. They became a PLC. Sky money continued to grow. Premier League winning awards grew. Sponsors became more abundant and United kept getting bigger and bigger. They started doing well in Europe, which got them more money. They kept winning and winning from the money they were getting, and got more money from that. But none of this would have happened without them being heavily invested in when they were a joke of a club; more of a joke than we ever have been!

 

[richards30]

One of the big jibes i hear from United fans, and i've read a fair deal of it when links are posted on here from Ragcafe, is that "United are a proper good club built from honest foundations and City are just a whore that have got undeservedly lucky with an Arab owner pumping money into them..."

It's the same shit they all believe like they're brainwashed into thinking and saying it, or simply they do not know the history of their club (which is highly likely!). Because if you delve back into history you see two examples of the Rags being in serious financial trouble and winning very little, or nothing at all, and being saved by a sugar Daddy who laid a platform for them to succeed from being a complete failure of a club. In 1902, when they were still Newton Heath, they were served with a winding up order as their debts were massive - unlike the football club who were reknowned for playing woeful football and getting crowds of just 4000 at Bank Street. Then John Henry Davies came along and pumped a load of money into them from nowhere. Davies took advantage of the FA's dodgy dealings when they expelled numerous City players from playing for City and signed City's stars. Later that decade United won the League twice and the FA Cup. SUCCESS, BOUGHT!

Then they went on the current Manchester record without winning a trophy - 37 years. They were failing as a club again. Their football was shite and they were pulling in average season attendances of 11000 at the Theatre of Drips. Low and behold, just as United were about to go bankrupt, another sugar Daddy came along to save their bacon. James W. Gibson pumped a load of money into that football club, who just previously couldn't even afford to buy their own kits and were given hand-outs of old kits by City (hence the term Rags!), from nowhere. Over the next decade they won promotion, had three League runner-up finishes and won the FA Cup. SUCCESS BOUGHT! From there United laid the platform from which they spawned the Busby Babes.

Without them being invested in by mega-rich owners, Manchester United would... well, there would be no Manchester United because they weren't winning trophies, they had no fans, they were a fucking shit club with no money!

City have had a period very similar to United in their history, over the last 35 years. We have, however, pulled in better crowds than they did in their dark days! We were looking like we were in fanancial bother, we may well have been investigated by HMRC or the Premier League/FA and may well have had winding up orders. But we managed to get ourselves our own suger Daddy to come along and save our bacon, who is laying the foundations for us to succeed in the coming decades.

Why is it a crime for it to be happening to us, yet they don't seem to have a problem with it happening to them?

Later down the line United had a mad, half-gencidal maniac who owned them. He was selling unedible food to schools! Yet the money he got from that he used to buy players for United. Ethically and morally correct? I don't think so! In the 70's and 80's United won relatively few trophies - they went over a quarter of a century without winning the league - yet they spent more money on players than any other club, breaking transfer records along the way. But the FA Cups and League Cups they won = SUCCESS BOUGHT!

Then, just as all that money they'd spent had them fairly near the top of the league (although City had finished above them in 1991), attendances started rising in English football and sponsors started putting more moeny into the sport. Sky then came along and a huge injection of money came into the newly formed Premiership (later what is now the Premier League). United had finished second the season before, with just Russell Beardsmore and Ryan Giggs being the two and only players United had developed themselves; everyone else was bought, many for record fees. In 1993, United won the league. SUCCESS BOUGHT!

From there United grew as a football club after being no more successful than a current day Aston Villa at the time. They became a PLC. Sky money continued to grow. Premier League winning awards grew. Sponsors became more abundant and United kept getting bigger and bigger. They started doing well in Europe, which got them more money. They kept winning and winning from the money they were getting, and got more money from that. But none of this would have happened without them being heavily invested in when they were a joke of a club; more of a joke than we ever have been!

very good factual post that mate!! nice one.

 

[Berkovic_blue]

One lot came from Louis Edwards selling dodgy meat to school children.

Then they became a PLC and got a huge injection of cash via a share issue. Plus at about the same time the Premier Greed and European Not Champions League were formed and because they happened to be one of the top teams they were bathed in cash, which helped them remain one of the top teams until today.

Basically this. They floated on the stock exchange which pumped millions into the club just before the PL was formed and exploited the situation to their advantage to keep them getting richer and the gap getting bigger. Any rag criticising us for spending money can fuck off, they don;t know their history (most of them don't tbh)

 

[lev_yashin]

United have won 11 from a potential 18 Premier League titles. Safe to say they've benefited from Murdoch's cash injection at the beginning of the 1990s.

 

[neil jung]

A couple of articles about the infamous World in Action programme...

The Guardian January 29th 1980

The Times January 30th 1980

 

[Deleted member 14625]

Interesting stuff neil jung. I didn't know about this!

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Edwards was charged at the time. Sadly he got away with it by dying before the trial.

 

[dennis tuearts hatrick balls]

Yeah it was the shares issue. Thing is though they were winning stuff up to it, and thats why many have a problem with us, because we are 'buying' success where there hasn't been any. Not that I care, infact I love how it winds people up to be honest.

Talking of United and money, I was talking to my ex's husband yesterday who is a rag, and he was saying that Companies House lists United as having excess money of £160m, which he thinks will be used for transfers.

Aaaaarrr, the old transfer 'war chest' we've been hearing about over the past 2yrs.

It would appear their fans seemed to have bought into it.

I'm awaiting the second coming of the Red Knights anytime now....

the knights that like to say Ni

 

[Deleted member 14625]

Edwards was charged at the time. Sadly he got away with it by dying before the trial.

Ahh yes, i do know about this! He comitted suicide didn't he?!

 

[blueonblue]

Though the excellent post by Brian goes some way to explaining a rough outline of events over at red sh*t HQ, there are a number of details that fill in some gaps.

Following the disaster there was a nationwide collection at football grounds, and in a lot of towns and cities, that in today's values would be in the many millions if not far short of a billion.............the clubs expenditure ran to a clock and memorial, supplied at cost!, the survivors and victims family got a small sum in compensation............from the airline, the rest of the money was never accounted for.

In the sixties England was hosting the world cup, despite Maine road being far more suited to be a venue ( Having a far better pitch and facilities ) old tragic was chosen and major building work carried out on the public tit............Bribery was riff during this period with committee`s and building firms......If say you were sat on a large pile of cash.

In the mid 70,s Edwards had money problems ( See the bit about rotten meat to schools), and the money boys only option to recover it was to create the PR monster that is the red sh*t, parties who had interests in Sky held a fair chunk of that debt and so they were on the telly every f*cking week...........and were influential in creating the premier league.

I grew up in a Manchester where you went to see TWO teams play football, going to an away match was rare, so it was Maine road one week and Warrick rd the other ( Old Trafford is the cricket ground, always was, always will be, the name was pinched by hoards of out of towners following the signs from the M6 thinking thats what it was called ).

The stories of what went on with the victims slowly trickled out during the early 60,s, as well as questions as to where the money was remaining unanswered, despite the club having a strangle hold on the MuEN, and many Manchester football fans stopped going, more after the shabby treatment of Sir Matt Busby who was becoming more vocal on the fate of the victims by the late 60,s..............he is buried in southern cemetery, there is no reference to "That club" on his gravestone.

From nicking off owing Manchester council the rent on newton heath, they have a history of skulduggery an dodgy dealings, and yet again up to their necks in debt, a few years of winning nothing should finish the bastards off.........here`s hoping ;0)

 

[Frank the Yank]

You know a while ago someone posted all the transfer dealings that Purple Conk has made. It was quite eye opening. There were a lot of real donkeys he spent good money on!!

 

[Deleted member 14625]

Though the excellent post by Brian goes some way to explaining a rough outline of events over at red sh*t HQ, there are a number of details that fill in some gaps.

Following the disaster there was a nationwide collection at football grounds, and in a lot of towns and cities, that in today's values would be in the many millions if not far short of a billion.............the clubs expenditure ran to a clock and memorial, supplied at cost!, the survivors and victims family got a small sum in compensation............from the airline, the rest of the money was never accounted for.

In the sixties England was hosting the world cup, despite Maine road being far more suited to be a venue ( Having a far better pitch and facilities ) old tragic was chosen and major building work carried out on the public tit............Bribery was riff during this period with committee`s and building firms......If say you were sat on a large pile of cash.

In the mid 70,s Edwards had money problems ( See the bit about rotten meat to schools), and the money boys only option to recover it was to create the PR monster that is the red sh*t, parties who had interests in Sky held a fair chunk of that debt and so they were on the telly every f*cking week...........and were influential in creating the premier league.

I grew up in a Manchester where you went to see TWO teams play football, going to an away match was rare, so it was Maine road one week and Warrick rd the other ( Old Trafford is the cricket ground, always was, always will be, the name was pinched by hoards of out of towners following the signs from the M6 thinking thats what it was called ).

The stories of what went on with the victims slowly trickled out during the early 60,s, as well as questions as to where the money was remaining unanswered, despite the club having a strangle hold on the MuEN, and many Manchester football fans stopped going, more after the shabby treatment of Sir Matt Busby who was becoming more vocal on the fate of the victims by the late 60,s..............he is buried in southern cemetery, there is no reference to "That club" on his gravestone.

From nicking off owing Manchester council the rent on newton heath, they have a history of skulduggery an dodgy dealings, and yet again up to their necks in debt, a few years of winning nothing should finish the bastards off.........here`s hoping ;0)

I'd like to beat them to the league title a few times before their big dimise first! :)