Which players are now pro and anti Hughes ?

[Superhands]

seems to be a split developing

my understanding :

pro Hughes - Ireland (in a big way), SWP, Kompany, Zabaleta

anti Hughes - Elano (in a big way), Vassell, Hamann, Dunne, Jo (?), Johnson (at least Hughes is reportedly frustrated with his attitude), Ball (didn't he not warm up with Hamann a few weeks ago?)

we can probably add Santa Cruz and Bellamy to the pro-Hughes brigade once they come (as now seems very likely)

Robinho is affecected by the Elano situation (his close friend) but is there any evidence of how the realtionship is between Hughes and Robinho himself ?

how about Richards ? This is a difficult time for him, has there been tension with the manager or is Hughes trying to help him out ?

Gelson, Caicedo, Benjani - any ideas as to which side they are on ?

 

[forevermancity]

everybody loved sven.....

 

[bluemoonmatt]

That's because Sven cuts his players some slack, in my opinion he gives his players too much of an easy ride. There were times last season certain players needed a right good kick up the backside and Sven would never have done that.

 

[california blue]

thats because he knew where to tickle a footballer in the right place

 

[Superhands]

thats because he knew where to tickle a footballer in the right place

but everything was falling apart second half of last season, was he really tickling them in the right places ?

 

[forevermancity]

That's because Sven cuts his players some slack, in my opinion he gives his players too much of an easy ride. There were times last season certain players needed a right good kick up the backside and Sven would never have done that.

its hard to bollock players when they all know you are sacked

 

[Superhands]

I'd love to know what's going with Richards - that would tell us more about Hughes' man management than the Elano situation IMO

and is it true that Hughes doesn't take training regularly ?

 

[Eric Wirral]

Says it all really.

Hughes doesn't suffer lazy bastards.
The players you list as pro Hughes are the ones putting in decent performances.

Some people on here seem to think if you are a gifted player then you should be aloud to be a lazy bastard on the training field ie. Elano.

Elano is a talented midfielder but a lazy bastard who hasn't put it in this season.
I maybe wrong but I want to see class in our side but I also want to see players wearing my shirt sweat blood!

The best players in the world have talent and a hard working ethic.

Messi works his bollocks off.
Ronaldo isn't exactly a slouch. etc etc.

I await the Hoddle, Le Tiss etc comments.
But remember I did say the best players in the world!

 

[quiet_riot]

thats because he knew where to tickle a footballer in the right place

but everything was falling apart second half of last season, was he really tickling them in the right places ?

Yeah they all wanted to lose didn't they? Nothing at all to do with the other teams getting to know our players and our players not knowing each other well enough to get through it.


Sven's team would have been great this year. But good old Frank fucked that up, and we're left with this useless welsh lump.

 

[Disturbance]

Says it all really.

Hughes doesn't suffer lazy bastards.
The players you list as pro Hughes are the ones putting in decent performances.

Unless you go to training every day you have no idea who's lazy. It's nice how Hughes can use the press to slag off half his playing staff because he can't motivate them. his management gets worse every day.

 

[forevermancity]

I'd love to know what's going with Richards - that would tell us more about Hughes' man management than the Elano situation IMO

and is it true that Hughes doesn't take training regularly ?

correct, bowen is more of a manager to them

 

[Eric Wirral]

Says it all really.

Hughes doesn't suffer lazy bastards.
The players you list as pro Hughes are the ones putting in decent performances.

Unless you go to training every day you have no idea who's lazy. It's nice how Hughes can use the press to slag off half his playing staff because he can't motivate them. his management gets worse every day.

I don't go to training every day but I do go to the matches.
Everyone knows Hughes has always had a strict training regime.
Let me guess who is putting it in and who isn't

Ireland or Elano??

Ireland is a revolution this season. Every single match, 90 minutes hard graft, tracking back doing the defenders jobs for them, supporting our shit forwards and scoring goals.

Elano comes on, runs around for 5 minutes, takes a corner, pats his badge a few times because he thinks he is our hero, balloons a free kick into row Z and we all think he's fantastic because of 'that goal' against Newcastle.

We need quality players (yes like Elano) but we can't afford to carry them.

 

[Superhands]

I'd love to know what's going with Richards - that would tell us more about Hughes' man management than the Elano situation IMO

and is it true that Hughes doesn't take training regularly ?

correct, bowen is more of a manager to them

not something I like to hear but I'm prepared to give Hughes the benefit of the doubt

 

[Anonymous]

Unless you go to training every day you have no idea who's lazy. It's nice how Hughes can use the press to slag off half his playing staff because he can't motivate them. his management gets worse every day.

I don't go to training every day but I do go to the matches.
Everyone knows Hughes has always had a strict training regime.
Let me guess who is putting it in and who isn't

Posters on here who do know what goes on at training say that Elano is one of the harder workers.

 

[Superhands]

Unless you go to training every day you have no idea who's lazy. It's nice how Hughes can use the press to slag off half his playing staff because he can't motivate them. his management gets worse every day.

I don't go to training every day but I do go to the matches.
Everyone knows Hughes has always had a strict training regime.
Let me guess who is putting it in and who isn't

Ireland or Elano??

Ireland is a revolution this season. Every single match, 90 minutes hard graft, tracking back doing the defenders jobs for them, supporting our shit forwards and scoring goals.

Elano comes on, runs around for 5 minutes, takes a corner, pats his badge a few times because he thinks he is our hero, balloons a free kick into row Z and we all think he's fantastic because of 'that goal' against Newcastle.

We need quality players (yes like Elano) but we can't afford to carry them.

what I'd like to know is whether the situation with Elano is an isolated incident

are there any serious issues with other players ? (not counting hamann and vassell who may be mainly annoyed at not being 1st choice)

Bellamy and Santa Cruz seem happy to work with him again (SC may be for the money but Bellamy went to Blackburn having worked with him at wales and is probably already on big money at west ham)

 

[Superhands]

Posters on here who do know what goes on at training say that Elano is one of the harder workers.

the situation with elano is unclear

people on here saying he trains well, articles in paper saying he didn't train well on saturday

maybe he does usually train well but there have been some bad days and "incidents"

for whatever reason, there is a problem there somewhere, and I'm prepared to give Hughes the benefit of the doubt

 

[Anonymous]

Posters on here who do know what goes on at training say that Elano is one of the harder workers.

the situation with elano is unclear

people on here saying he trains well, articles in paper saying he didn't train well on saturday

maybe he does usually train well but there have been some bad days and "incidents"

for whatever reason, there is a problem there somewhere, and I'm prepared to give Hughes the benefit of the doubt

The papers are being leaked info from someone with a vested interest. As far as I'm aware those on here who give out info have no agenda at all.

 

[Superhands]

the situation with elano is unclear

people on here saying he trains well, articles in paper saying he didn't train well on saturday

maybe he does usually train well but there have been some bad days and "incidents"

for whatever reason, there is a problem there somewhere, and I'm prepared to give Hughes the benefit of the doubt

The papers are being leaked info from someone with a vested interest. As far as I'm aware those on here who give out info have no agenda at all.

not suggesting they do - or that they are wrong about him training well

only saying that I'm prepared to give Hughes the benefit of the doubt for the time being - Elano must have done something out of order

there's no evidence that I'm aware of of him being a bad man manager / crazy egotist from his time at Wales or Blackburn

of course the City job may prove beyond him and he may yet prove to come from the souness / hoddle school of man management, but the elano situation doesn't in itself have me too worried yet

hopefully the mood at the ground will lift with elano gone in january, possibly followed by hamann, ball and vassell

 

[Matty]

If Hughes is to stay on as manager, which unfortunately seems the most likely outcome at this point (if ever he were to be sacked it was going to be after that debacle on Sunday), then he needs to soften his attitude a little it would seem. It's all well and good being a disciplinarian, working the players hard and cracking down on them when they step out of line, but you can't be JUST that, you need other aspects, aspects he seems to lack. You need to understand when a quiet word, or some encouragement, is required. When a player(s) need to be given a little freedom, allowed to relax and enjoy themselves. Sven was probably too far the other way, the players seemed to like him but he didn't have them fully under his control. Hughes needs to take the man management skills of Sven and add them to his own work ethic, without the balance he'll continue to be an abject failure.

 

[ElanJo]

Just look over the road. Their team has been full of quality players who graft for each other. Giggs, probably the most hardworking winger the Prem has seen - and one of the best. Same goes for Beckham. Scholes etc.

Elano wouldnt even be contemplated upon by Sourface, even tho he does like a maverick - the maverick has to be pure class (ie. Cantona). Robinho would get a look in at the scum, but Elano - no chance... he ain't good enough to be a lazy bastard.