Who are the good pundits?

Dodgy Gangster said:
The insidious creep of anonymous ill informed female pundits has led me to revise my opinion of male pundits I previously found to be irritating.

The likes of Carragher and Redknapp on Sky or Wright and Dublin on the bbc might have their shortcomings as pundits but they are familiar faces who I enjoyed watching play the game and have developed into characters who can hold a conversation.

I don’t think the broadcasters understand what the fans want from punditry. We don’t need analysis or technical insight, the vast majority of fans understand the nuances of the game perfectly well. What we want are familiar faces who we know have played at a high level in games we remember watching, discussing what’s happened.

Foisting upon us women we’ve never heard of to trot out cliche after cliche without adding anything to the conversation ticks a box but alienates many viewers
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So basically you don't mind a full gravy train of ex pros stealing a living trotting out endless cliches .... but draw the line when it's a female voice?
 
Postman Pep said:
So basically you don't mind a full gravy train of ex pros stealing a living trotting out endless cliches .... but draw the line when it's a female voice?
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It’s familiarity rather than gender that’s the defining factor. To an extent everyone trots out cliches when talking about footy, not least us fans and original thoughts and comments are rarely heard.

To use last night’s panel as an example - Redknapp irritates me slightly but I remember him as a player in big games and his interactions down the years on panels and so his opinion holds more weight with me than Karen Carney who I’ve never heard of before she was a pundit and who doesn’t have the experience of big occasions nor strength of personality for me to find her comments interesting.
 
Ian Wright, Souness, Keane, Seaman, Ray Parlour and Micah
 
I’m like a stuck record with this, but I’m only interested in pundits who’ve been (proper) managers as well as players. If you’ve just come straight from playing, forget it.

Will never happen of course because it would make panels less youthful on average.
 
Dodgy Gangster said:
It’s familiarity rather than gender that’s the defining factor. To an extent everyone trots out cliches when talking about footy, not least us fans and original thoughts and comments are rarely heard.

To use last night’s panel as an example - Redknapp irritates me slightly but I remember him as a player in big games and his interactions down the years on panels and so his opinion holds more weight with me than Karen Carney who I’ve never heard of before she was a pundit and who doesn’t have the experience of big occasions nor strength of personality for me to find her comments interesting.
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To be fair the thread title explains itself and there is reason that it has limped along to 13 pages.

I agree she's an awful pundit but it's not because she's a woman or because you've never heard of her it's because she's shit like the vast majority.

But then again that brummie accent ......
 
Robbie Earle, Robbie mustoe, Tim Howard (okay) and Graham la saux. Peter drury for commentator. The rest are fair to poor. The Sky team is rubbish throughout.
 
citymad said:
Robbie Earle, Robbie mustoe, Tim Howard (okay) and Graham la saux. Peter drury for commentator. The rest are fair to poor. The Sky team is rubbish throughout.
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Haha! A smidge of Yank TV bias methinks! ;-)

The Two Robbies can be a little anodyne at times, because I feel like they’re protecting their “franchise” of regular in studio pundits with decent podcast. Tim Howard sometimes has a slightly sharper edge, but he provides the “American made hood in the Prem” anchor.

For my money, GLS is the best of that bunch, but his analysis/punditry is immediate post-game, so it lacks the depth and opinion of the top Brits.

Nedum is very good, and Burley brings a wealth of experience and some wily nous of behind the curtain for the US/ESPN audience, but for sheer punditry, it’s impossible to look past Souness & Keane. They’ve seen it, done it, and don’t mind peeling the onion every now and then.

Neville & Carragher have their own franchise, but Neville is in danger of muddying his footballing franchise with his politics and outspoken hatred of the Glazers at his beloved MU, and I just can’t get past Spitter’s actions that got him the name and his accent, even though I think he’s a decent analyst.

And, as a dark horse, don’t look too far beyond Rebecca Lowe (US Premier League coverage host), who has more insight than most women I’ve ever heard, but hasn’t laced them up, so would be heavily discounted as a pundit!
 
Nedum Onuoha
Alex Scott
Gary Neville

There's a few others I don't mind either. But these 3 seem the most coherent to me.
 
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