Who should be the next leader of the Tory party?

[Alan Harper's Tash]

You see you jump to conclusions and lose credibility.
You know absolutely nothing about me yet you make statements that I am incredibly dull and misinformed.
Are they your go to, feel better for saying it,comments.
How can you speak for others, is it on the basis of your more likely to get a like from them.

Ugh. Onto ignore. I tried.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

I'm in the higher tax bracket and would accept paying more if it means taxation is fairer. An extra 1% of tax would not change my life. Apply that across the board now on high earners, why not?

Same here. Been a high rate tax payer for years and am happy to pay more tax to support people less fortunate.

But these kind of people can’t compute that logic.

 

[Gabriel]

Where is your evidence to say they will probably know they will lose the next election.
Now Boris has gone and no effective opposition time will tell

The country is already heading into a recession and the war in Ukraine is unlikely to end soon, which means food, fuel, and energy prices will remain high into next year, and that means inflation will continue to ride high, too. However, there is just no money to solve the current problems or to stimulate growth, and the country is already nearing a public debt crisis. These things have been known in Westminster for months.

There is also no plan within the party on how to deal with the post-Brexit realities. There’s no plan on the right of the party and no plan on the centre/left of the party, and there is deep distrust between both sides. That does not bode well for the remainder of the term.

By 2025, the Conservatives will also have been in power for 15 years, and fighting as the incumbent against the abovementioned backdrop. They also know that electoral fatigue has an inevitable impact on the voters and that Starmer cannot be portrayed as the bogeyman Corbyn was.

All of these things are known within the party and quite a few have acknowledged that it’s running out of energy and ideas and needs time out of office to recharge and rethink.

 

[halfmist]

I read a fair bit of the politics forum and I don’t think it is particularly left wing tbh, it’s predominantly centrist. Think it shows how much the Overton window has shifted over the last few years that you perceive it to be left wing though (which will drive the real left wingers mad!)

You don’t think it’s left wing.
If your honestly saying that and you think the politics forum reflects the thinking out in the real world then the Tories would be lucky to get double figures in a General Election and Corbin would have won by a landslide.

 

[meltonblue]

I'm in the higher tax bracket and would accept paying more if it means taxation is fairer. An extra 1% of tax would not change my life. Apply that across the board now on high earners, why not?

Yep me too. I work for a large pharmaceutical and retail company. If I compare what I get paid at my level and compare that to either those the level below or the level above, the disparity is far bigger than it should be. Ideally, I’d like that to be dealt with by reducing the discrepency in pay in the first place but failing that, through greater progressive tax.

Given the state we’re currently in, I’d probably go more drastic than that on the really high earners. It’s not as if we haven’t done it before in times of economic crisis and it wasn’t considered left wing when we did it then.

 

[meltonblue]

You don’t think it’s left wing.
If your honestly saying that and you think the politics forum reflects the thinking out in the real world then the Tories would be lucky to get double figures in a General Election and Corbin would have won by a landslide.

I know plenty of posters on here that didn’t vote for Corbyn.

Like I said, I think it’s more centrist than anything. If you phrased it more to the left than the general populace currently are, then I’d probably agree with you.

 

[mackenzie]

The economic pain in the next year is going to be chronic, and there is nobody on the Conservative benches powerful enough to unite their party or popular enough to bring the country together. The Conservatives probably know they will lose the next General Election, so it’s just a case now of minimising the electoral damage and ensuring they’re only out for one term.

They used to be a machine when it came to winning GE's, but now they are just a mess.

 

[halfmist]

The country is already heading into a recession and the war in Ukraine is unlikely to end soon, which means food, fuel, and energy prices will remain high into next year, and that means inflation will continue to ride high, too. However, there is just no money to solve the current problems or to stimulate growth, and the country is already nearing a public debt crisis. These things have been known in Westminster for months.

There is also no plan within the party on how to deal with the post-Brexit realities. There’s no plan on the right of the party and no plan on the centre/left of the party, and there is deep distrust between both sides. That does not bode well for the remainder of the term.

By 2025, the Conservatives will also have been in power for 15 years, and fighting as the incumbent against the abovementioned backdrop. They also know that electoral fatigue has an inevitable impact on the voters and that Starmer cannot be portrayed as the bogeyman Corbyn was.

All of these things are known within the party and quite a few have acknowledged that it’s running out of energy and ideas and needs time out of office to recharge and rethink.

Good post
I cannot argue with the majority of what you say.
It’s fear of the alternatives to the Tories and not knowing what you will get with a Labour Government particularly with wage demands hat will frighten a lot off from voting Labour.
There isn’t a credible opposition at the moment.

 

[meltonblue]

They used to be a machine when it came to winning GE's, but now they are just a mess.

Give it time. They’ve managed to self implode and replace their leader (and prime minister) twice and still won the next election, I wouldn’t write them off for the next one just yet.

 

[halfmist]

I know plenty of posters on here that didn’t vote for Corbyn.

Like I said, I think it’s more centrist than anything. If you phrased it more to the left than the general populace currently are, then I’d probably agree with you.

Well if they didn’t vote Corbin that only realistically left Tory and for most on here it would be over my dead body.