Why The Hell Would Anyone Want Mancini Sacked ?

[Ancient Citizen]

Why the hell not?

Mancini is so done after this. So over.

Tevez and Dzeko, two most successful strikers of the season, to be on the bench for the most important match at Etihad?

Sooo gooneee!

Tell you what, why not pre-empt him and go first.

 

[Mancini's Second Contract]

Love Mancini but i think he could be gone soon. The style of football throughout this season hasn't been of the standard we should be playing and decisions hes made haven't been the best.

Will always be a legend to me and many other blues though.

 

[jamielowndes]

Mancini isnt going and there is no reason for him to go. This coaching carousel bollocks needs to end. If we sign Guardiola and he doesnt win us the Champions League in 3 years, will we sack him too?

 

[Damanino]

Just one question:

If Fergie had bought some defenders/good def. midfielder in summer now they would be 15 points above on us? As they would hardly concede so much goals?

They bought RVP we can see how much that helped them. If they would have now a new top defender and top midfielder maybe they would be really not losing to Everton or Spurs at home. And they would stand on a 14-0-1 record in the league.

We had the "luck" Fergie is not able to see they should sign some defensive players.
Still they are 6 points better, on form possible continue to win matches especially easy home matches they have in December.

While we didnt have Tevez here and many said if Tevez is here whole season we would win the league with 10 points clear and not only on goal difference.

Tevez is here this season (causing huge problems in rotation).<br /><br />-- Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:35 pm --<br /><br />

Mancini isnt going and there is no reason for him to go. This coaching carousel bollocks needs to end. If we sign Guardiola and he doesnt win us the Champions League in 3 years, will we sack him too?

if he doesnt get out from CL group? Or if doesnt win the CL? The two thing are absolutely different.

Like winning the league and winning first 6 matches in the league.

 

[Freestyler]

Put Tevez on the bench, straight away i'm thinking just what the fuck are you doing Mancini? todays events with tevez, is just another one of his moments to add to the list...

My original post on Mancini last week, i still stand by it. Even more after today...

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Hear me out, this is NOT a 'Mancini out' post. Or in relation to tonight's failings against Dortmund. Just a post on how i feel about Mancini's future and why his job at City is constantly talked about.

Firstly we'll rule out the following comments, neither of 4 terms below are relevant to the post i will put forward:

1. 'Unbeaten in the league' - United have lost 3 games and sit above us in the league. Would you say 'unbeaten in the league' if we drew 38 games in a season? no. We've been shite most the season, could easily have lost games due to obscure tactics and substitutions and getting away with murder. We've been outplayed by teams in the bottom half of The Premiership time and time again.

2. 'He won us the league' - The resources given he should have walked the league. Won it due to a United downfall and it took Brian Kidd to convince Mancini we could claw it back. The quality of the side pulled us through IMO, you'd think we won it by 15 points the way some talk.

3. 'Remember where we've come from' - by FAR the most overused and stupidest comment around these days. We've got a team worth £400mill, not £5mill. It's 2012, not 1998. Give it a rest..

4. 'We need stability' - true, but stability and loyalty to managers counts for nothing when the team doesn't improve.

The reason:

When a club moves forward so does the managers. The owners/fans as each year goes on expect to see an improvement and City competing and performing at the highest level.

Mancini is a great manager, imo not one of the best in the world. Probably not even top 5 imo, when the club get's to a certain point it has to 'upgrade' so to speak with the level it moves towards. We've had Hughes who wasn't the best but played a part in buying bigger players and moving us forward ever so slightly and make us a better team, now we have Mancini. He's driven us on and taken us to the next part of our journey in what this club is aiming for, no expects instant glory and success but they want to see improvement and the club going forward.

Our team is built, the foundations are there now. We've got a top top side which should be able to compete at the highest level (not go and beat everyone and win everything) just compete and take the game to teams. I'd relish Mourinho at City, but i want Mancini to prove me wrong and not have me worrying about anyone else. I keep trying to give him the benefit of the doubt but I always end up going back to my original stance.

Far too often we respect lesser teams. Instead of going for the kill when the opponents are on the rack, we sit back, stroll around and play the game at a walking pace when the chances are that we'd have wrapped the game up playing to our own strengths. This team would be excellent if it was allowed to express itself but it isn't. He holds us back, the small and little amount of times we have been given the freedom to attack we've been brilliant.

The key line here - Our side is now missing a proper tactical, inside out knowledgeable world class manager. If a manager came in he wouldn't have to buy more than 2 players, the ones at disposal now would be any managers dream. I like Mancini, but i think we need a real proper good tactical coach to take us to the next level. IMO Mancini is not that man, he'll only try to improve the squad by constant spending and not improve the team through management.

Europe is a far cry, he hasn't got it. The Premiership is another story, is HE really responsible for us winning the league? Our side needs a world class manager to make us what we want to be. The bottom line is, Mancini will be gone because he can't take us to that next level. Despite the fact that football's about opinions, more & more blues are taking offence at any honest comments made.

This is not 'Mancini out', remember i'm talking about having a manager being good enough to manage what he has. Mancini is not out of his depth, or a poor manager. He is a great manager but he just isn't up to scratch to take us to where the fans/owner want to be. He's part of the chain of our rise to the top and he'll be one of the managers who had his turn to get us there. But not the final piece of the jigsaw, and the height of quality we aimed for.

Quite simply if you want be the best, you need to hire the best. We're reaching that level now...

Let's just say if we had another manager. and we needed a new one tomorrow to take City over, would Mancini be on the shortlist? ...he wouldn't.

 

[Anonymous]

not starting tevez and aguero together was a disaster of a decision.

 

[moomba]

Mancini will lead us to a second title in May I'm 100% sure. That's more than good enough for me.<br /><br />-- Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:45 pm --<br /><br />

Why the hell not?

Mancini is so done after this. So over.

Tevez and Dzeko, two most successful strikers of the season, to be on the bench for the most important match at Etihad?

Sooo gooneee!

Sooooo dramatic.

 

[Yaya_Tony]

This thread is probably going to spiral out of control over the next few days, but a few things to mention are;

-Mancini signed for 5 years over the summer, not a one year extension, not for 3 years, but 5 years.
-And that is it.

Doesn't matter how the team played today (which wasn't even bad), regardless of who might be available, Mancini is going nowhere.

 

[Damocles]

Put Tevez on the bench, straight away i'm thinking just what the fuck are you doing Mancini? todays events with tevez, is just another one of his moments to add to the list...

My original post on Mancini last week, i still stand by it.

And my original reply:

When a club moves forward so does the managers. The owners/fans as each year goes on expect to see an improvement and City competing and performing at the highest level.

Constant year by year improvement is a myth and a ridiculous requirement. Some years will be harder than others, sometimes you take a step back one year and three forward the year after. Absolutely no club in the world can survive the idea that the club needs to do better than last year or they would be sacked. With this attitude there would be no Barca La Masia, no United domination, no Real Madrid domination. This is the equivalent of saying that a boxer should sack the trainer if they don't win every round.

Mancini is a great manager, imo not one of the best in the world. Probably not even top 5 imo,

Mancini has won a trophy in every single full season of management apart from his first. Your biases are irrelevant, Mancini is a proven quantity at delivering trophies, which makes him one of the very few managers in the world who is.

when the club get's to a certain point it has to 'upgrade' so to speak with the level it moves towards. We've had Hughes who wasn't the best but played a part in buying bigger players and moving us forward ever so slightly and make us a better team, now we have Mancini. He's driven us on and taken us to the next part of our journey in what this club is aiming for, no expects instant glory and success but they want to see improvement and the club going forward.

Wanting to see improvement on a title winning team is the definition of wanting instant success.

Far too often we respect lesser teams. Instead of going for the kill when the opponents are on the rack, we sit back, stroll around and play the game at a walking pace when the chances are that we'd have wrapped the game up playing to our own strengths. This team would be excellent if it was allowed to express itself but it isn't. He holds us back, the small and little amount of times we have been given the freedom to attack we've been brilliant.

We've scored more goals than any team in PL last year. We're not that far off it this year. The idea that he holds us back is utterly, utterly absurd and based on nothing at all. This is literally demanding that we win every game 4-0.

The key line here - Our side is now missing a proper tactical, inside out knowledgeable world class manager.

Because if there's anybody who is qualified to judge the tactical merits of managers, it's a bunch of fans with little training or experience in football theory. Mancini is an excellent tactician, as evidenced by the amount of goals that our subs score, more than any other team in the league last year and look to do it again this year. His ability to change a game is second to none. More than this, Mancini is famous in football circles not for his motivational skills but his tactical skills. Criticising his ability to motivate and you might have a point, but you are literally criticising his biggest strength and saying he doesn't possess it.

Europe is a far cry, he hasn't got it. The Premiership is another story, is HE really responsible for us winning the league? Our side needs a world class manager to make us what we want to be. The bottom line is, Mancini will be gone because he can't take us to that next level. Despite the fact that football's about opinions, more & more blues are taking offence at any honest comments made.

I'm taking offence at the complete disregard for any evidence in your comments yes. You criticise him for holding us back whilst we score more goals than anybody else. You criticise his tactical ability when it's famously his strongest asset. This is not a thought out or considered opinion. In short, and I'm not being mean here just factual, I don't think you know what you are talking about and have already decided your opinion before actually looking at the facts. To be honest, I'm not sure you've even tried to look at the facts.

This is not 'Mancini out', remember i'm talking about having a manager being good enough to manage what he has. Mancini is not out of his depth, or a poor manager. He is a great manager but he just isn't up to scratch to take us to where the fans/owner want to be. He's part of the chain of our rise to the top and he'll be one of the managers who had his turn to get us there. But not the final piece of the jigsaw, and the height of quality we aimed for

Quite simply if you want be the best, you need to hire the best. We're reaching that level now...

If you've got your opinion fine, but don't suddenly claim to speak for both the fans and the owner and our expectation level.

This is one of those posts which looks reasonable on the surface but when you actually look at what they are saying is stupid.

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It's now even more stupid because we battered them in the first 15 minutes which showed we setup well, and he changed the game with a substitution which means he recognised the faults.

 

[Balti]

Mancini isnt going and there is no reason for him to go. This coaching carousel bollocks needs to end. If we sign Guardiola and he doesnt win us the Champions League in 3 years, will we sack him too?

of course as that would be unacceptable

just keep sacking them till one wins it like RDM did for Chelski and then sack him as well the bar steward

sack 'em all :-)

 

[yozzer]

we are under achieving this season, so who ever is to blame change em, drop em, sell them , or sack them , just fix it ffs

 

[RandomJ]

Mods can we just lock this thread, the muppets on here are a fucking disgrace. I bet them on ragcafe are creasing themselves at some of your reactions.

 

[hilts]

we are under achieving this season, so who ever is to blame change em, drop em, sell them , or sack them , just fix it ffs

Not sure this is the best way to run a football club

 

[The Future's Blue]

I'm glad I'm a City fan.

 

[csnewton]

Put Tevez on the bench, straight away i'm thinking just what the fuck are you doing Mancini? todays events with tevez, is just another one of his moments to add to the list...

My original post on Mancini last week, i still stand by it. Even more after today...

_____________________________________________________________________________________

Hear me out, this is NOT a 'Mancini out' post. Or in relation to tonight's failings against Dortmund. Just a post on how i feel about Mancini's future and why his job at City is constantly talked about.

Firstly we'll rule out the following comments, neither of 4 terms below are relevant to the post i will put forward:

1. 'Unbeaten in the league' - United have lost 3 games and sit above us in the league. Would you say 'unbeaten in the league' if we drew 38 games in a season? no. We've been shite most the season, could easily have lost games due to obscure tactics and substitutions and getting away with murder. We've been outplayed by teams in the bottom half of The Premiership time and time again.

2. 'He won us the league' - The resources given he should have walked the league. Won it due to a United downfall and it took Brian Kidd to convince Mancini we could claw it back. The quality of the side pulled us through IMO, you'd think we won it by 15 points the way some talk.

3. 'Remember where we've come from' - by FAR the most overused and stupidest comment around these days. We've got a team worth £400mill, not £5mill. It's 2012, not 1998. Give it a rest..

4. 'We need stability' - true, but stability and loyalty to managers counts for nothing when the team doesn't improve.

The reason:

When a club moves forward so does the managers. The owners/fans as each year goes on expect to see an improvement and City competing and performing at the highest level.

Mancini is a great manager, imo not one of the best in the world. Probably not even top 5 imo, when the club get's to a certain point it has to 'upgrade' so to speak with the level it moves towards. We've had Hughes who wasn't the best but played a part in buying bigger players and moving us forward ever so slightly and make us a better team, now we have Mancini. He's driven us on and taken us to the next part of our journey in what this club is aiming for, no expects instant glory and success but they want to see improvement and the club going forward.

Our team is built, the foundations are there now. We've got a top top side which should be able to compete at the highest level (not go and beat everyone and win everything) just compete and take the game to teams. I'd relish Mourinho at City, but i want Mancini to prove me wrong and not have me worrying about anyone else. I keep trying to give him the benefit of the doubt but I always end up going back to my original stance.

Far too often we respect lesser teams. Instead of going for the kill when the opponents are on the rack, we sit back, stroll around and play the game at a walking pace when the chances are that we'd have wrapped the game up playing to our own strengths. This team would be excellent if it was allowed to express itself but it isn't. He holds us back, the small and little amount of times we have been given the freedom to attack we've been brilliant.

The key line here - Our side is now missing a proper tactical, inside out knowledgeable world class manager. If a manager came in he wouldn't have to buy more than 2 players, the ones at disposal now would be any managers dream. I like Mancini, but i think we need a real proper good tactical coach to take us to the next level. IMO Mancini is not that man, he'll only try to improve the squad by constant spending and not improve the team through management.

Europe is a far cry, he hasn't got it. The Premiership is another story, is HE really responsible for us winning the league? Our side needs a world class manager to make us what we want to be. The bottom line is, Mancini will be gone because he can't take us to that next level. Despite the fact that football's about opinions, more & more blues are taking offence at any honest comments made.

This is not 'Mancini out', remember i'm talking about having a manager being good enough to manage what he has. Mancini is not out of his depth, or a poor manager. He is a great manager but he just isn't up to scratch to take us to where the fans/owner want to be. He's part of the chain of our rise to the top and he'll be one of the managers who had his turn to get us there. But not the final piece of the jigsaw, and the height of quality we aimed for.

Quite simply if you want be the best, you need to hire the best. We're reaching that level now...

Let's just say if we had another manager. and we needed a new one tomorrow to take City over, would Mancini be on the shortlist? ...he wouldn't.

I second all that.....just because we won the title last season, it doesnt mean mancini is indespensible. Many managers would have delivered the title with team we had/have.................FACT

 

[Davs 19]

Put Tevez on the bench, straight away i'm thinking just what the fuck are you doing Mancini? todays events with tevez, is just another one of his moments to add to the list...

My original post on Mancini last week, i still stand by it. Even more after today...

_____________________________________________________________________________________

Hear me out, this is NOT a 'Mancini out' post. Or in relation to tonight's failings against Dortmund. Just a post on how i feel about Mancini's future and why his job at City is constantly talked about.

Firstly we'll rule out the following comments, neither of 4 terms below are relevant to the post i will put forward:

1. 'Unbeaten in the league' - United have lost 3 games and sit above us in the league. Would you say 'unbeaten in the league' if we drew 38 games in a season? no. We've been shite most the season, could easily have lost games due to obscure tactics and substitutions and getting away with murder. We've been outplayed by teams in the bottom half of The Premiership time and time again.

2. 'He won us the league' - The resources given he should have walked the league. Won it due to a United downfall and it took Brian Kidd to convince Mancini we could claw it back. The quality of the side pulled us through IMO, you'd think we won it by 15 points the way some talk.

3. 'Remember where we've come from' - by FAR the most overused and stupidest comment around these days. We've got a team worth £400mill, not £5mill. It's 2012, not 1998. Give it a rest..

4. 'We need stability' - true, but stability and loyalty to managers counts for nothing when the team doesn't improve.

The reason:

When a club moves forward so does the managers. The owners/fans as each year goes on expect to see an improvement and City competing and performing at the highest level.

Mancini is a great manager, imo not one of the best in the world. Probably not even top 5 imo, when the club get's to a certain point it has to 'upgrade' so to speak with the level it moves towards. We've had Hughes who wasn't the best but played a part in buying bigger players and moving us forward ever so slightly and make us a better team, now we have Mancini. He's driven us on and taken us to the next part of our journey in what this club is aiming for, no expects instant glory and success but they want to see improvement and the club going forward.

Our team is built, the foundations are there now. We've got a top top side which should be able to compete at the highest level (not go and beat everyone and win everything) just compete and take the game to teams. I'd relish Mourinho at City, but i want Mancini to prove me wrong and not have me worrying about anyone else. I keep trying to give him the benefit of the doubt but I always end up going back to my original stance.

Far too often we respect lesser teams. Instead of going for the kill when the opponents are on the rack, we sit back, stroll around and play the game at a walking pace when the chances are that we'd have wrapped the game up playing to our own strengths. This team would be excellent if it was allowed to express itself but it isn't. He holds us back, the small and little amount of times we have been given the freedom to attack we've been brilliant.

The key line here - Our side is now missing a proper tactical, inside out knowledgeable world class manager. If a manager came in he wouldn't have to buy more than 2 players, the ones at disposal now would be any managers dream. I like Mancini, but i think we need a real proper good tactical coach to take us to the next level. IMO Mancini is not that man, he'll only try to improve the squad by constant spending and not improve the team through management.

Europe is a far cry, he hasn't got it. The Premiership is another story, is HE really responsible for us winning the league? Our side needs a world class manager to make us what we want to be. The bottom line is, Mancini will be gone because he can't take us to that next level. Despite the fact that football's about opinions, more & more blues are taking offence at any honest comments made.

This is not 'Mancini out', remember i'm talking about having a manager being good enough to manage what he has. Mancini is not out of his depth, or a poor manager. He is a great manager but he just isn't up to scratch to take us to where the fans/owner want to be. He's part of the chain of our rise to the top and he'll be one of the managers who had his turn to get us there. But not the final piece of the jigsaw, and the height of quality we aimed for.

Quite simply if you want be the best, you need to hire the best. We're reaching that level now...

Let's just say if we had another manager. and we needed a new one tomorrow to take City over, would Mancini be on the shortlist? ...he wouldn't.

I second all that.....just because we won the title last season, it doesnt mean mancini is indespensible. Many managers would have delivered the title with team we had/have.................FACT

Could be time to lock this one, sorry I ever started it looking at the collection of rags and idiots making up a fair proportion of the thread.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

This season in all comps

Played 22 won 9 drawn 9 lost 4

It's not great that is it.

He has tinkered too much this season especially up front.He has bought poorly in summer and he has been too conservative in some games. Everton and Chelsea are good examples of this.

Dzeko can sit warming the bench all season for all I care and balotelli can stay at home.

Tevez and aguero are easily our best forwards.

 

[BlueMoonz1977]

It is not that I want to see bobby sacked, but as said earlier i think it is going to happen. We have been really crap so far this season, we have had to endure a nightmare champions league campaign as well. A strange change of tactics in formation that has not worked and a perserverance with balotelli that is not justified anymore.

I feel that deals are already under way for Pep Guardiola to take over. It made me think that this could have been started in the summer hence the non-commitment of the club to actually go out and purchase bobbys main targets before the season began. Why would they spend millions on players for a manager they maybe know could be gone either at the end of the season or before!!!

There was also talk that Mourinho could be coming to our club, since he actually stated in an interview that the only club he can see himself going to is City. My brother-in-law is a united fan, I cannot get to games as much as i used to due to work/family committments, but i watch the games over at his place, He works in a high profile job (not in football) and liases with money people. He stated to me today that he had heard that it could be Mourinho coming to City along with Ronaldo for the sum of £100m

If we knew it was going to happen who would you have come in as first choice.

 

[baildon blue]

Im still a big fan of Mancini results like today hurt him as much as all us City fans.He was swearing at the press after the match

 

[Davs 19]

It is not that I want to see bobby sacked, but as said earlier i think it is going to happen. We have been really crap so far this season, we have had to endure a nightmare champions league campaign as well. A strange change of tactics in formation that has not worked and a perserverance with balotelli that is not justified anymore.

I feel that deals are already under way for Pep Guardiola to take over. It made me think that this could have been started in the summer hence the non-commitment of the club to actually go out and purchase bobbys main targets before the season began. Why would they spend millions on players for a manager they maybe know could be gone either at the end of the season or before!!!

There was also talk that Mourinho could be coming to our club, since he actually stated in an interview that the only club he can see himself going to is City. My brother-in-law is a united fan, I cannot get to games as much as i used to due to work/family committments, but i watch the games over at his place, He works in a high profile job (not in football) and liases with money people. He stated to me today that he had heard that it could be Mourinho coming to City along with Ronaldo for the sum of £100m

If we knew it was going to happen who would you have come in as first choice.

Oh my days ..............