Women who lie about rape?

SWP's back said:
Rocket-footed kolarov said:

The truth about women 'crying rape'


The idea of women 'crying rape' exists everywhere from EM Forster to Hollyoaks. But why? In real life, false allegations of rape are incredibly rare

Eva Wiseman
The Observer, Sunday 31 March 2013

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Joseph and Potiphar's wife by Tintoretto


There's this idea that a false allegation of sexual assault is the one weapon that shamed women wield. Men have fists and cash and the threat of death; women have this. A shy call to 999 on a Monday morning that leads to the slow sirens of police arresting her ex at work, a sorry officer shielding his head as he falls into the car.

It's a story we know by heart. One that's been acted out for us under stage lighting, read out loud as we fall asleep, one that's been Biroed on to our skin so many times it has entered our blood memory. In high and low culture, in literature and soaps. In To Kill a Mockingbird and A Passage to India and Of Mice and Men. In the cartoon South Park and the film Wild Things. In the Bible, where Potiphar's wife accuses the slave Joseph of raping her after he refuses her advances – Tintoretto painted her ripping off Joseph's clothes; Rembrandt painted her telling her husband. Joseph stands in semi-darkness; she is bathed in calm white light. In The Graduate Mrs Robinson tells her daughter that Ben raped her in order to halt their relationship. On Hollyoaks, an experiment two years ago where they invited viewers to form a "jury" to decide whether Gilly had raped Jacqui resulted in them finding him not guilty; the current storyline sees Kevin falsely accusing Brendan of sexually attacking him. In Dexter, a subplot sees Dexter's colleague Batista being accused of rape after consensual sex. In Ian McEwan's Atonement, a confused witness falsely accuses Robbie of raping her cousin. And on and on. In Gone Girl, Gillian Flynn's best-selling new novel, the protagonist (spoiler, irritators) makes two false rape claims: one an act of revenge, and the second to account for a murder. Plan B's album The Defamation of Strickland Banks is the story of a soul singer wrongly convicted of rape.

It's a trope that exists because it's powerful – it moves on stories and confuses the reader, and builds sympathy in a raw and painful way. It's a plot device that works, but one that should be questioned. As blogger Jennifer Kesler pointed out, comparing rape on TV to that of murder: "No one ever thinks: maybe the murder victim wanted to die, maybe it was a consensual death." And while TV's "murder is bad" message remains, it perpetuates an idea that rape can be complicated. That women lie.

But it's fiction. It's fiction. When real occasions of false allegations are published, they're news for the same reasons – they're lurid and exciting, and they make you feel something. But they're news because they are so rare. The Daily Mail specialises in perpetuating this narrative, with stories such as "The rape lies that ruined our lives" – it used the phrase "cried rape" in 54 headlines over the past year. Headlines such as "Wicked women who cried rape trapped by three-in-bed photos" reveal women to be the scheming harridans they always suspected, harridans who use their sexuality as a weapon, whose power lies solely in their body. These were real cases of false allegations, but the idea that it is a widespread problem, a weapon women use, is fiction.

The recent Crown Prosecution Service study found that the cultural idea that false rape allegations are prevalent is itself false; it reports that over a 17-month period there were 5,651 prosecutions for rape but only 35 for false rape allegations. And in the cases involving people under 18, almost 40% of the claims originated with their parents, which reduces the number of false allegations from "victims" even more. The recent Steubenville rape trial, where an unconscious teenager's assault was recorded and celebrated by bystanders, had a postscript: the arrest of two girls who threatened the victim after the guilty verdict came down. It brought a number of disturbing truths to the surface. Including the fact that, when the world is not on the side of the victim, other women will play along with rape culture in order to feel safe. This is one of the effects of perpetuating the fiction that women lie about rape – we end up attacking ourselves.
16,000 reports of rape to police, 2,300 convictions.

It's not that rate is it.

Assuming that's a typo and you meant rare.

You suggesting that the primary reason for such a low conviction rate per complaints are completely fabricated claims of rape?
 
Not solely no, but I'd imagine the figure is higher than being in the tens. My point is that with 14,000 cases where the police are brought in and only two and a half thousand convictions, it is not exactly rare that someone would be accused of rape, have their life ruined and not be found guilty or necessarily even tried in court.
 
corky1970 said:
de niro said:
Markt85 said:
FFS it was a joke !

I suppose you and de Niro were disgusted at David Brent where he shouts ''Theres been a rape up there '' during the Hotel sketch scene

the fact you think its funny is quite worrying.

I have never watched a david brent episode.

each to their own mate

dont be offended for offended sake , ive seen a lot worse on here

leave the guy alone ffs

thanks for your advice on how to mod the forum or indeed reply to a post.

i'm sure you wont mind if I ask you to shove that advice right up the crack of your fuckng arse.

feel free to ask around on how to reply to this post.
 
SWP's back said:
Not solely no, but I'd imagine the figure is higher than being in the tens. My point is that with 14,000 cases where the police are brought in and only two and a half thousand convictions, it is not exactly rare that someone would be accused of rape, have their life ruined and not be found guilty or necessarily even tried in court.

The lines of what is and is not rape is to muddied. My definition of rape is forced sex upon another which is easier to prove

In that number i am sure there are "to pissed to consent" "Didn't know what was going on" this usually happens between 2 people and ends up a reputation argument that is so hard to prove beyond reasonable doubt. I am not saying that they are not crimes but maybe could be categorised as not rape.
 
de niro said:
corky1970 said:
de niro said:
the fact you think its funny is quite worrying.

I have never watched a david brent episode.

each to their own mate

dont be offended for offended sake , ive seen a lot worse on here

leave the guy alone ffs

thanks for your advice on how to mod the forum or indeed reply to a post.

i'm sure you wont mind if I ask you to shove that advice right up the crack of your fuckng arse.

feel free to ask around on how to reply to this post.
Each to their own.

Leave the guy alone. ;)
 
SWP's back said:
Not solely no, but I'd imagine the figure is higher than being in the tens. My point is that with 14,000 cases where the police are brought in and only two and a half thousand convictions, it is not exactly rare that someone would be accused of rape, have their life ruined and not be found guilty or necessarily even tried in court.

That's true. My counter point would be that there are a whole host of reasons why they might be found not guilty or get to trial and only one of those is because they are innocent.
 
SWP's back said:
de niro said:
corky1970 said:
each to their own mate

dont be offended for offended sake , ive seen a lot worse on here

leave the guy alone ffs

thanks for your advice on how to mod the forum or indeed reply to a post.

i'm sure you wont mind if I ask you to shove that advice right up the crack of your fuckng arse.

feel free to ask around on how to reply to this post.
Each to their own.

Leave the guy alone. ;)

hi gay vest guy, how goes it? I can't make the next do :(
 
So, I know this isn't about lying about rape, but I didn't want to start a new thread.

Anyway, I wonder what people will make of this excerpt that is doing the rounds from Serena Williams in a Rolling Stones interview...

We watch the news for a while, and the infamous Steubenville rape case flashes on the TV—two high school football players raped a 16-year-old, while other students watched and texted details of the crime. Serena just shakes her head. “Do you think it was fair, what they got? They did something stupid, but I don’t know. I’m not blaming the girl, but if you’re a 16-year-old and you’re drunk like that, your parents should teach you: don’t take drinks from other people. She’s 16, why was she that drunk where she doesn’t remember? It could have been much worse. She’s lucky. Obviously I don’t know, maybe she wasn’t a virgin, but she shouldn’t have put herself in that position, unless they slipped her something, then that’s different.”

Now I know what she was trying to say, but that was some f&cked up way of saying it! She has, since, then apologised... of sorts, by whilst not saying she was misquoted, is claiming it as something she "supposedly said".

Whilst I still support her, she has lost some credibility for me for not taking full ownership of her incredulous f*ck up.

This will chase her through Wimblydon(!!).
 
Happened to a mate's younger brother. This girl got paraletic on the park and my mate's bro gave her a fireman's lift and carried her home. Next thing the Police are round and it gets serious. In the end she broke down crying one day and confessed she'd made it all up. By this time nobody he used to knock about with spoke to him.

One day I was round my ex girlfriends flat and was telling this story to her and her flatmate. Well, her flatmate burst out in tears because she'd only lied about being raped in her past too. She had a go at me because she thought I'd made this story up to make her feel guilty.

Girls=fucking nuts!
 
i'm no legaL expert, but i'm sure £80 fine has to be a mistake.
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Woman who cried rape receives a fixed penalty notice
23 Oct 2012 14:36
A woman who lied about being raped has received a fixed penalty notice for wasting police time. The woman, who had claimed she was attacked in an area of land behind a Heywood pub in the early hours of Monday, has been fined £80

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A woman who lied about being raped has received a fixed penalty notice for wasting police time.

The woman, who had claimed she was attacked in an area of land behind a Heywood pub in the early hours of Monday, has been fined £80.

Police interviewed a man under caution who told them he'd had consensual sex with the woman who later admitted this was true.

Detective Inspector Debbie Dooley said the case made 'a mockery of the awful experiences of genuine victims'.

She said: “As soon as we received this report we launched a thorough investigation and as a result we have established that no such offence occurred.
“To lie about being the victim of such a serious offence obviously causes undue alarm within the community and makes a mockery of the awful experiences of genuine victims.
“We treat all allegations of rape extremely seriously and our investigations into serious sexual offences are meticulous. We will always do whatever we can to uncover the truth and anyone who lies will be caught out and dealt with.”
 

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