Yep, his legs went in 2013. He was alright during Liverpool's failed push for the title, acting as a holding player, but Suarez, Coutinho and Sterling have all been more important.
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Yaya Toure
- Thread starter Alex B
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Some hate him, some love him. I am very much a lover. What cannot be denied he has played an enormous part of our success. For that I will be eternally grateful to him and all the team.
They have made dreams come true and they should be treasured as much as, if not more than, the Mercer boys.
They have made dreams come true and they should be treasured as much as, if not more than, the Mercer boys.
There's no point, this is the "Sun shines out of Yaya's arse/ Silva's shit/ Yaya best captain we've ever had/ model of consistency/ wait until he activates his laser vision/ Africa should show more respect/ Manuel is the worst human being for daring to use a professional athlete more than once a week/ we've forgotten how irate we were before the league cup final" thread.
There's just no point.
There will be a bit of quiet time now after the link to Yaya's "my agent speaks for me" while they bury their heads in the sand and pretend it didn't happen. Then in a few days he'll be walking on water again, I'll be the biggest most hateful fat **** on Bluemoon for not gobbling him off and we'll all start again, hahaha!!
middleton___blue
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Yes Yaya has stepped up alot when it matters in the past. He's won games for us almost single handedly and put pull anything out of the hat.
The statement by the OP isnt very well thought out because half of the time...Yaya doesnt look involved in the games he plays in (yes The 2 man midfield dont help the matter) and even looks a passenger when our midfield is getting tested against any half decent team. How you just see him walking half the time with no urgency or no pressure to the other team is the reason why he cant make it as our best IMO.
How you can say Serg doesnt come close is ridiculous, he gives his all every single game and on his day, is the best striker in europe with his conversion rate and his technical ability. Without Kun, where would we be?
The statement by the OP isnt very well thought out because half of the time...Yaya doesnt look involved in the games he plays in (yes The 2 man midfield dont help the matter) and even looks a passenger when our midfield is getting tested against any half decent team. How you just see him walking half the time with no urgency or no pressure to the other team is the reason why he cant make it as our best IMO.
How you can say Serg doesnt come close is ridiculous, he gives his all every single game and on his day, is the best striker in europe with his conversion rate and his technical ability. Without Kun, where would we be?
that Silva falters is down to Yaya toure? How is that? Blaming A for B's predicament. Surely it cannot be any worse than this. If you had simply said Silva is playing through pain, we'd be on agreement but saying that Silva isn't firing because of Yaya baffles me greatly. Is Yaya responsible for failed passes or for the times he goes quiet in games or for missed scoring opportunities? You'd have to educate me on that one but you are right when you say there are options and the manager should explore different alternatives. One such option is to explore the Aguero-Nacho partnership which seems to show some promise but he keeps persisting with Bony. I'd even argue that there have been so many times when Silva has played in the hole without affecting games before and even after KDB was injured. I also agree with your point that we ought to have addressed replacing Toure a while ago which we are paying for now. Nasri has been out injured for most of the season so there was no way he was going to be played. The Fern combo has flattered to deceive. I would have bought into the argument that Delphy should start ahead of Yaya some weeks back but if Silva has been dealing with his issues and you remove Yaya, we'd have a chaotic setup. I make no bones about this,trust me. The jury is still out as to whether Toure 2016 version is better than Silva 2016 version but if I'm to make an objective judgement at this point, I'd go for theI do not claim that the options we have are better than Toure in his prime, but better than Toure in 2016. And we have also had 2 to 4 transfer windows to address this if you don't rate the players on our books. Silva falters now because Yaya is less than the player he was. Play Silva off Aguero, or put De Bruyne there, and play Nasri centrally in the middle with Fernando and Delph. Thre are alternatives. And as I said before if these are not options for you then there's the transfer market. Allowing this City team
to degenerate to this level is very poor,
and for me a very big aspect of the decline relates to Toure and the midfield. If you disagree, I'd welcome your opinion on where it has gone wrong. Injuries are only a part
former. Some people claim that Yaya just does a job when he's arsed or he's a 10 minute magic man but that's not true. He actually allows us see more of the ball, keeps possession, keeps us ticking over (except in a couple odd matches when he's actually tired e.g. Everton League Cup 1-2) which is his main job. Granted he's supposed to support the attack and defence but if even Silva cannot support the attack enough (with proximity to opposition goal in his favour), you might be asking too much from Yaya, if you require him to do that. He's also supposed to support the defence, and of late he's nor been too bad at it only that when Kompany isn't around, the defenders cannot somehow dig deep enough to help themselves. I said too much already so i'll stop by saying, address the issues where they need to be addressed and if you honestly do that, we may see Silva on the bench even before Yaya. Thank you my friend.
OB1
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Yes Yaya has stepped up alot when it matters in the past. He's won games for us almost single handedly and put pull anything out of the hat.
The statement by the OP isnt very well thought out because half of the time...Yaya doesnt look involved in the games he plays in (yes The 2 man midfield dont help the matter) and even looks a passenger when our midfield is getting tested against any half decent team. How you just see him walking half the time with no urgency or no pressure to the other team is the reason why he cant make it as our best IMO.
How you can say Serg doesnt come close is ridiculous, he gives his all every single game and on his day, is the best striker in europe with his conversion rate and his technical ability. Without Kun, where would we be?
Comments like that just imply people aren't paying attention: Yaya consistently touches the ball more than any of his team mates so it is bloody well impossible for him not to be very involved in virtually every game he plays.
OB1
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There will be a bit of quiet time now after the link to Yaya's "my agent speaks for me" while they bury their heads in the sand and pretend it didn't happen. Then in a few days he'll be walking on water again, I'll be the biggest most hateful fat **** on Bluemoon for not gobbling him off and we'll all start again, hahaha!!
No one is burying their heads... Some of us are just more interested in his performances on the pitch rather than whatever posturing does or does not take place off it.
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blueinsa
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Not the best for me as Merlin currently holds that spot, just but by far the most influential and without him, even now we are a shadow of the side we are when he is in there and on form.
I was all for him going but if we can accommodate him for another few years under pep and use him wisely we must keep him.
I was all for him going but if we can accommodate him for another few years under pep and use him wisely we must keep him.
Thanks for the thoughtful reply.that Silva falters is down to Yaya toure? How is that? Blaming A for B's predicament. Surely it cannot be any worse than this. If you had simply said Silva is playing through pain, we'd be on agreement but saying that Silva isn't firing because of Yaya baffles me greatly. Is Yaya responsible for failed passes or for the times he goes quiet in games or for missed scoring opportunities? You'd have to educate me on that one but you are right when you say there are options and the manager should explore different alternatives. One such option is to explore the Aguero-Nacho partnership which seems to show some promise but he keeps persisting with Bony. I'd even argue that there have been so many times when Silva has played in the hole without affecting games before and even after KDB was injured. I also agree with your point that we ought to have addressed replacing Toure a while ago which we are paying for now. Nasri has been out injured for most of the season so there was no way he was going to be played. The Fern combo has flattered to deceive. I would have bought into the argument that Delphy should start ahead of Yaya some weeks back but if Silva has been dealing with his issues and you remove Yaya, we'd have a chaotic setup. I make no bones about this,trust me. The jury is still out as to whether Toure 2016 version is better than Silva 2016 version but if I'm to make an objective judgement at this point, I'd go for the
former. Some people claim that Yaya just does a job when he's arsed or he's a 10 minute magic man but that's not true. He actually allows us see more of the ball, keeps possession, keeps us ticking over (except in a couple odd matches when he's actually tired e.g. Everton League Cup 1-2) which is his main job. Granted he's supposed to support the attack and defence but if even Silva cannot support the attack enough (with proximity to opposition goal in his favour), you might be asking too much from Yaya, if you require him to do that. He's also supposed to support the defence, and of late he's nor been too bad at it only that when Kompany isn't around, the defenders cannot somehow dig deep enough to help themselves. I said too much already so i'll stop by saying, address the issues where they need to be addressed and if you honestly do that, we may see Silva on the bench even before Yaya. Thank you my friend.
I think Yaya has reached the point where he can't get around the pitch quickly enough to make his quality count and that affects his ability to impose himself on the game, and it also affects defensive players who have to spend more time closing the opposition down, and it affects offensive players because he is less able to get up in support of play and take men away from the man on the ball. That's what I was getting at with regards to Silva. It's easier to shut Silva down now because Yaya is pedestrian and City's build up play has slowed as a result.
It is easier to criticise the players out there when the results dip. Maybe there is no alternative, and Silva, De Bruyne and any other combination would fare no better, but I expected Yaya to struggle this season, and I think Pellegrini should have anticipated this, and prepared for it. The man is a man mountain. Lampard was lean. He could go on and on. Yaya is at the other end of the scale. Once the engine goes, it's going to grind to a halt.
Sorry not got much to add that hasn't already been said. Hopefully the Bournemouth game goes well. having won the League Cup, qualification for the Champions League and Champions League semi-finalists will be a good season, but it's in the balance. Toure has been the key to our success so for me it's natural that this topic gets so much attention. When he dips City dip because we haven't prepared for it.