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fatbloke said:
When did you last see any of our central midfielders getting into the box for a tap in from open play? We don't get central midfielders into the box enough, we don't have the energy to do it unless Fernandinho is deployed further forward. Accommodating Yaya means Dinho has to sit and hold the majority of the time.
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No it doesn't. Fernando isn't that type of midfielder. He's a lot of things but he isn't a goal scorer. He's only had one season where he has scored more than 5 league goals in his entire career. Fernandinho would only theoretically have to sit if we were playing Dinho and Toure in a 2 man midfield, where in that case the player who is defensively better would sit and the player who is better offensively would push. That's a fairly simple concept.

With Fernando in the team, there's not really a reason why Fernandinho can't push forwards. He did it in tandem with Yaya against Sevilla away to great effect.

There's several other reasons for why midfielders don't score tap ins without even bringing Yaya up.

1: We don't cross (Clichy/Sagna), or when we do, the cross doesn't beat them first man (Navas) or it is actually a shot (Kolarov)

2: Navas on the right occupies the exact same space as Sagna/Zabaleta. It's totally ineffective and has been for the last 2 years. It doesn't allow for more crosses, all it does is take away an attacking option. It actually stops the isolation that Navas probably needs to show off his only attribute (speed) so instead of getting a chance to cross we play the ball back across the outside of the area, over to the left, and back to the right. Aguero is hardly ever even in the box.

3: We have zero wide threat. Sterling needs to cut back and Clichy just isn't effective as an attacker. Kolarov can cross at times but he's god awful at almost everything else.

4: Nobody shoots from outside the area, or when we do, we don't hit the target enough meaning there's no chance of a rebound/tap in.

5: Teams totally crowd their own penalty area against us. Often there will be 9 or 10 players in or around it. Unless we push forward with the same amount of bodies, we have a less than favourable chance of finding enough space in the box to score a 'tap in'.

I'll finish by saying Yaya didn't play on Saturday and we played against one of the worst defences you will see in top flight football, yet we didn't create a single chance against them, nor did we get bodies into their box.
 
A city legend. One of the very best to wear the shirt. But if we give him a new contract we need our fucking heads checking. His performances don't justify his monumental salary now so it's time to replace him with a younger model not give him another city meal ticket.
 
Kinkladze 1 said:
A city legend. One of the very best to wear the shirt. But if we give him a new contract we need our fucking heads checking. His performances don't justify his monumental salary now so it's time to replace him with a younger model not give him another city meal ticket.
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Well done for speaking up. The truth will hurt some though
 
Ya Ya has dominated the history of our club for six seasons now, aided by Vinnie, David and Sergio, but nothing is forever and time is catching up with three of them. This season especially we are clueless when we don't have Ya Ya on the ball when we attack, but we also have to admit that we need Fernando in the team for him and Ya Ya to add up to one complete midfielder. I don't know if Ya Ya will be at City next season (but that depends on the club, not his agent) but I suspect that the creation of a new City team, begun by Pellers last summer, will be accelerated by Pep and the spine of the club, brought in in 2010-1 will be replaced, hopefully by the arrival of Pogba and Gundogan at least.
 
jpargo said:
Biggest Yaya backer on the board, and I thought he played well on Tuesday, but from the praises coming to him I think majority on this board don't understand his main role on the team. On Tuesday team was playing behind the ball, and counter attacking which they don't do 99% of the time (mostly possession based team). Yaya role was to play behind Aguero and spearhead the counter attack. He did that well, but for all the praises coming to him for he wasn't that effective in the end because team didn't score. He had more sprints and more action in the final 3rd giving the appearance of effectiveness, but I don't think there were that many clear cut chances.

Majority of the time Yaya is initiating the play from deep and linking D to forwards. So if all is going to plan, he is laying the ball at the feet of the likes of Silva, Sterling, etc to make the final move to Aguero. He is not going to get credit if it comes off. If team is chasing goals, he will go forward more often and take more risks, and it will appear like "he is trying harder" but really he is playing a different role. Most fans don't recognize this and slag him with lazy tag.
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Interesting post. It's why Toure was second only to Hazard last season in extended assists.
 
Kinkladze 1 said:
A city legend. One of the very best to wear the shirt. But if we give him a new contract we need our fucking heads checking. His performances don't justify his monumental salary now so it's time to replace him with a younger model not give him another city meal ticket.
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Spot on. He has and always will be a legend. Let him leave now whilst he is still remembered that way.
 
ono said:
No it doesn't. Fernando isn't that type of midfielder. He's a lot of things but he isn't a goal scorer. He's only had one season where he has scored more than 5 league goals in his entire career. Fernandinho would only theoretically have to sit if we were playing Dinho and Toure in a 2 man midfield, where in that case the player who is defensively better would sit and the player who is better offensively would push. That's a fairly simple concept.

With Fernando in the team, there's not really a reason why Fernandinho can't push forwards. He did it in tandem with Yaya against Sevilla away to great effect.

There's several other reasons for why midfielders don't score tap ins without even bringing Yaya up.

1: We don't cross (Clichy/Sagna), or when we do, the cross doesn't beat them first man (Navas) or it is actually a shot (Kolarov)

2: Navas on the right occupies the exact same space as Sagna/Zabaleta. It's totally ineffective and has been for the last 2 years. It doesn't allow for more crosses, all it does is take away an attacking option. It actually stops the isolation that Navas probably needs to show off his only attribute (speed) so instead of getting a chance to cross we play the ball back across the outside of the area, over to the left, and back to the right. Aguero is hardly ever even in the box.

3: We have zero wide threat. Sterling needs to cut back and Clichy just isn't effective as an attacker. Kolarov can cross at times but he's god awful at almost everything else.

4: Nobody shoots from outside the area, or when we do, we don't hit the target enough meaning there's no chance of a rebound/tap in.

5: Teams totally crowd their own penalty area against us. Often there will be 9 or 10 players in or around it. Unless we push forward with the same amount of bodies, we have a less than favourable chance of finding enough space in the box to score a 'tap in'.

I'll finish by saying Yaya didn't play on Saturday and we played against one of the worst defences you will see in top flight football, yet we didn't create a single chance against them, nor did we get bodies into their box.
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In all fairness, one of Yaya's biggest supporters on this forum explained after much prompting why we don't get anyone in the box last night.
 
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