Gabriel
Well-Known Member
Miliband would have walked that election and the young would have voted for him in their droves.
Just to help anyone dropping in on this conversation, you're discussing David, yes?
Miliband would have walked that election and the young would have voted for him in their droves.
You sound like a US Democrat! "We almost did it but everyone seemed to help the R keep power!" Do you know how pathetic it sounds when you promote that other people helped the opposition, rather than your own candidate was good enough to win?You just don't seem to get it. People don't want less of the same from a Tory-lite Labour Party. They want more of something different. Had it not been for the backlash against wee Jimmy Krankie in Scotland and the Tories in England being propped up by the death of the UKIP vote, Corbyn would be in a very strong position to form the next government this weekend.
That's the thing Fumble and you're still not getting.
In the main, one doesn't pick a football team. They are taken at an early age to the ground. They keep being taken. They fall in love with the club and stay with them whatever happens.
With politics it's different. Each time they vote, they are doing so for the party they believe can best run the country at that time.
By asking a question like that then you simply prove my point. You'd vote Labour whoever was in charge. Whatever the manifesto. You've admitted being a party member for 40 years. You campaigned for Blair. That's nothing to be proud of. Was the Blair manifesto anything like the Corbyn one? Or the Kinnock one? Or the Foot one? No, it really wasn't. But I dare say you'd have espoused their individual virtues at each time like the evangelical Labour supporter you are.
Do you not understand that there are floating voters? Do you not understand why they hold sway at each election?
Yes. Met him twice and listened to him half a dozen times. I'm still at a loss of Ed pushed him out.Just to help anyone dropping in on this conversation, you're discussing David, yes?
Can you put a date on it? It's just so long as it's in some wishy washy future then it's hard to nail down when I can say "I told you so".I understand there are floating voters, what you cannot comprehend and this is the crux of your problem of comprehension, is that it is not an inviolate law that floating voters float to the right.
You see narrow economic self interest, divide and rule, as irreversible laws of politics. That empathy and social justice is for the lunatic fringes and the naïve young.
Well you're going to be proved wrong, because divide and rule has got us here and here is not a happy place, it is a hopeless place and the young in particular feel it every day.
The right might have the power now, but they don't have the answers for the future.
There's a sea change taking place in politics and it's sad you can see it.
Miliband would have walked that election and the young would have voted for him in their droves.
Can you put a date on it? It's just so long as it's in some wishy washy future then it's hard to nail down when I can say "I told you so".
That maths just doesn't add up i'm afraid.You just don't seem to get it. People don't want less of the same from a Tory-lite Labour Party. They want more of something different. Had it not been for the backlash against wee Jimmy Krankie in Scotland and the Tories in England being propped up by the death of the UKIP vote, Corbyn would be in a very strong position to form the next government this weekend.
No fumble. I'm 35, comfortable, married to a beautiful and sweet woman and not remotely sad nor bitter.You seem a very sad bloke.
You been away too long, or you take the young for fools.