Donald Trump

[Ghandi's Flip Flops]

Seriously? Even Britons at the top of government were willing to allow Nazism’s march....as long as it left them alone.

There was a sentiment by a few that the Treaty of Versailles was harsh, and also that a stronger Germany could help stem the spread of Communism into the west.
But mostly it was that another war (so soon after WW1) had to be avoided at all costs. Hence you had the Policy of Appeasement & the 1938 Munich Agreement.
If you think this was a 'willingness to allow Nazism's march' then i'd have to disagree.

So, if Britain had not chosen resistance and defiance, there would have been no need for an eastern front for America.

Prior to Pearl Harbour, the US was already escorting & defending British convoys and was involved in attacks against German subs (i.e. USS Reuben James). Also a number of the 50 destroyers given by the US as part of the lend-lease were unofficially crewed by US servicemen.
In 1940 the US were in talks with the US & Dutch formulating plans for the joint defence of the far east; plus public & government opinion in the US at the time was that German dominated Europe would be detrimental to the US.
So if you think that a fivefold increase in the defence budget plus the re-introduction of the peacetime draft in 1940, was purely for defence of US interests in the Pacific, and also to help China against the Japanese then i would have to disagree with you.

 

[paulsimpson]

Could you point out how the Democratic Party is included in your statement “too many making their hatred of others who are different the key driver and centerpiece of their decision-making process about America's future.”

I only ask because you said, “to be fair, both sides are doing it,” and I would just like to know which “different” people Democrats are “hating” and making “the key driver and centerpiece of their of their decision-making process about America’s future.”

To be certain, I see lots of hatred, but I’m struggling with seeing how supporting DACA, something the Patron Saint of Republicans, Ronald Reagan, would have been all in favor of, especially considering he was the King of Amnesty, I somehow painting Democrats as “hatred of others who are different.”

Or, maybe you are talking about Muslims? If so, please show me the Democratic hatred of that group....or ANY GROUP OF PEOPLE, as espoused by their “decision-making process about America’s future.”

Thanks, because I’m just not seeing any of it from one side, while the other is raising millions of dollars by promoting their hatred, even if they couch it is slightly more palatable terms for their base.

Are you a democrat? Just asking . Trump has had a lot of criticism some of which was self induced by his tweeting . But there is a deep seated ideological hatred of the man mainly from the left and liberals . Are you a liberal ? Are you leftist? We all have biases .

 

[stonerblue]

Are you a democrat? Just asking . Trump has had a lot of criticism some of which was self induced by his tweeting . But there is a deep seated ideological hatred of the man mainly from the left and liberals . Are you a liberal ? Are you leftist? We all have biases .

Yep, i have a deep seated ideological hatred of racists, mysogynists, bully's and silver spoon ego-maniacs. If that makes me a lefty liberal then good.

 

[west didsblue]

Not sure i'd agree with that. When you consider things like lend-lease, the huge defence budget increase/re-introduction of the peacetime draft in early/mid 1940 it's pretty much considered that the US was already gearing up for total war. All the pearl harbour attack did was sway public opinion and expedite their full entry into the war.

However your argument falls apart because at that time Germany and Russia had a non aggression pact that only came to an end when Germany invaded Russia towards the end of 1941, not long before the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. So it's fairly safe to say that during America's military build up in 1940, they were not thinking about choosing Stalin over Hitler, and only ended up as allies because both countries were attacked by the Axis powers at roughly the same time. As I said, shit analogy.

 

[west didsblue]

Are you a democrat? Just asking . Trump has had a lot of criticism some of which was self induced by his tweeting . But there is a deep seated ideological hatred of the man mainly from the left and liberals . Are you a liberal ? Are you leftist? We all have biases .

Do you like him?

 

[mat]

Official ad by the republicans.

 

[aguero93:20]

However your argument falls apart because at that time Germany and Russia had a non aggression pact that only came to an end when Germany invaded Russia towards the end of 1941, not long before the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. So it's fairly safe to say that during America's military build up in 1940, they were not thinking about choosing Stalin over Hitler, and only ended up as allies because both countries were attacked by the Axis powers at roughly the same time. As I said, shit analogy.

That and, if you had to pick a bigger **** from the two it was probably Stalin.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Could you point out how the Democratic Party is included in your statement “too many making their hatred of others who are different the key driver and centerpiece of their decision-making process about America's future.”

I only ask because you said, “to be fair, both sides are doing it,” and I would just like to know which “different” people Democrats are “hating” and making “the key driver and centerpiece of their of their decision-making process about America’s future.”

To be certain, I see lots of hatred, but I’m struggling with seeing how supporting DACA, something the Patron Saint of Republicans, Ronald Reagan, would have been all in favor of, especially considering he was the King of Amnesty, I somehow painting Democrats as “hatred of others who are different.”

Or, maybe you are talking about Muslims? If so, please show me the Democratic hatred of that group....or ANY GROUP OF PEOPLE, as espoused by their “decision-making process about America’s future.”

Thanks, because I’m just not seeing any of it from one side, while the other is raising millions of dollars by promoting their hatred, even if they couch it is slightly more palatable terms for their base.

I have a certain amount of sympathy for those who are sick of rich people ridiculing poor people as bumpkins, belittling their faith, dogmatically assuming value structures that “all” should adopt while assuming those that don’t tow the line are uneducated or, worse, evil. I’m empathetic because despite my urban upbringing in a very liberal place, I have spent a lot of time in rural California among farmers and ranchers, a few of whom argue for secession of “their” California from the bewilderingly expensive and highly-regulated urban coasts. One of my best friends is Baptist minister from Oklahoma, who is as gentle and kind a person as can be, with a deep religious conviction I do not share, but while potentially misguided philosophically still manages to accomplish more good than most people I know. So I’m not really arguing Republicans or Democrats, but rather class, upbringing and educational divides that have become somehow codified and institutionalized into political party definitions. Some of the anger of those I know is unjustified in my view. But at the same time, when one’s core value system is belittled and trashed, or even considered morally wrong -- and when the times have passed one by due to technology or globalization so much so that one’s current life and skill set is deemed useless — I can empathize. That’s why I feels that both “sides” have had a say in creating the divide. But what’s evil about Trump is that he has not only been exploiting that divide, but acting as a jackhammer to drive a wedge between different people deeper than anyone in a position of power in the US has since . . . I don’t know who. George Wallace?

 

[MillionMilesAway]

I see Trump's response to the resolution is to crow about the Democrats caving in on it.
That should really help things along in 2 weeks when they do it all again!

What effect does a shutdown actually have on the US military? Is it solely veterans who get stiffed by it?

 

[paulsimpson]

Do you like him?[/QUOTE
Can't say I love him but equally don't hate him. Don't think it is good to hate people. Do you hate him ?
It is ideology that must be criticised not people .One we criticise people and not ideas we can become hypocritical . You'll find that the classical liberal allows freedom for the sake of freedom. It doesn't discriminate . It even allows for the widest view yet can criticise it.Theres a liberalist fascism going around these days which would tend to shut people up and deny them freedom of speech. We've seen it it on google and twitter.People must be allowed to air their views no matter how repulsive they may seem to the individual.