General Election June 8th

[KenTheLandlord]

What particular point do you disagree with Len? You seem to have completely forgotten the garbage we had to put up with when nationalised industries prevailed. Do you not remember when it used to take 3 months to get the GPO to install a phone line at your house? Do you not remember the Austin Allegro? Were you fond of the record levels of unemployment? The endless strikes? Happy days eh.

The bit that i am not Len, then the rest goes downhill.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

Hah....best place for it. Strange how few want to return to those utopian days by voting your mates in.

Not me either and them days are long gone as far as Labour are concerned, there is nothing in the Labour manifesto that suggests those days will come back.
There are aspects of those days still about but it is the tories doing it and will carry on. Always been weak with the economy and only ever looked after their mates.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Two weeks ago I was nailed on a may voter. Now I am not sure at all.

 

[sir baconface]

Not me either and them days are long gone as far as Labour are concerned, there is nothing in the Labour manifesto that suggests those days will come back.
There are aspects of those days still about but it is the tories doing it and will carry on. Always been weak with the economy and only ever looked after their mates.

Unfortunately, both main parties look after their mates. Maybe it's inevitable, but it does get in the way at times of making the best decisions for the country. I think we can agree on that much.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Not me either and them days are long gone as far as Labour are concerned, there is nothing in the Labour manifesto that suggests those days will come back.
There are aspects of those days still about but it is the tories doing it and will carry on. Always been weak with the economy and only ever looked after their mates.

Did you honestly say "always been weak with the economy" of the Tories? What parallel universe do you inhabit FFS? Criticise them by all means on a variety of subjects but the one thing THE one thing they are always strong on, is the economy. If you don't get that, you really don't understand anything at all.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

Unfortunately, both main parties look after their mates. Maybe it's inevitable, but it does get in the way at times of making the best decisions for the country. I think we can agree on that much.

I think there is some grounds for that.

Did you honestly say "always been weak with the economy" of the Tories? What parallel universe do you inhabit FFS? Criticise them by all means on a variety of subjects but the one thing THE one thing they are always strong on, is the economy. If you don't get that, you really don't understand anything at all.

The parallel universe we live in, not the one you live in.
Read this and realise all you have been told is a lie. http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/...the-biggest-borrowers-over-the-last-70-years/

 

[adrianr]

I have every idea what you understand because you're displaying it.

This is in no way possible, reasonable, or achievable. Anybody who thinks it is is either lying or 100% does not understand this issue.

Taking this away from porn for a minute, if the quote in the following article is true the ramifications behind it are as sinister as they are ridiculous. Interested to hear your thoughts Damo.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...ternet-conservatives-government-a7744176.html

The Conservatives will also seek to regulate the kind of news that is posted online and how companies are paid for it. If elected, Theresa May will "take steps to protect the reliability and objectivity of information that is essential to our democracy" – and crack down on Facebook and Google to ensure that news companies get enough advertising money.

Disingenuous way of wording it. The only way to 'protect' legitimate information is to somehow censor the illegitimate information, which first means deciding which is which. Would anyone here like the Government telling you what news channel to watch? Which paper to read?

I have no idea what is making May and co so hellbent on monitoring and controlling everything we do online but it's scaring the crap out of me, regardless of their inability to enact it. I suspect we'll see new powers pushed through whilst everyone is looking the other way at Brexit, just like her Snoopers Charter.

 

[Ghandi's Flip Flops]

So someone goes for a well paid, highly qualified job, then finds they are supposed to get it by becoming self employed by setting up their own company and "contracting" so the "employer" can avoid National Insurance. It beggars belief that people would prefer that sort of "choice" to a proper job under a benevolent employer (or at least one where the unions could negotiate some of that benevolence).

Seems to me you have no idea how the temp/contractor sector works. If your above scenario was for a long term appointment, then it would be considered 'disguised' employment and because of mechanisms like IR35 etc the person employed would fall foul of it and be liable for full tax & NI, and wouldn't be allowed benefits such as claiming expenses. It wouldn't be worth taking the position as a contractor, and most people would likely take that positon as staff.

Very few employers nowadays can guarantee long term continuity of work (and a job for life are pretty non-existant nowadays), especially in sectors like engineering or IT.
Therefore the vast majority of temps/contractors are usually brought in to work on projects lasting approx 6-12 months, and for the more highly skilled positions often work away from home. Rates are often volatile and often go down as much as up. Using things like Ltd companies & Umbrella companies etc give people a choice of how they manage their finances so they can cope in times between assignments, when rates drop or allow them to find work outside of there area.
Being staff as a temp/contractor for short term engagements is pretty pointless, as you're entitled to nothing on leaving and unions are a waste of time.

My point still stands that Labour are purposefully targetting a whole sector of the workforce because we don't fall into their ideology, or keep their mates in the unions happy.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Despite them wanting to renationalise industries and hand centralised monopoly power back to politicised twats such as the rail unions? Unions whose members are very comfortable, thank you very much, but who give not a diddly fcuk about customer service and will happily disrupt everyone in pursuit of their latest manufactured "cause". No thanks pal.

Like when the East Coast mainline was handed back by the franchisee because they couldn't make it work so in public ownership it was better run, had few disputes and actually paid 110's of millions back to the treasury and then was re-privatised to provide a better service - which it hasn't and has sucked subsidy back out of the treasury again? You are re-living the 70's fella - as I said I doubt anybody in Labour wants re-nationalisation to lead back to those years industrial relations.

 

[Ghandi's Flip Flops]

GEC/Metrovicks - In 1960 the rivalry that had continued between Metrovick and BTH was eventually ended when the AEI management decided to rid themselves of both brands and conduct all their busines under the brand AEI. Seven years later AEI was purchased by GEC which changed its name to Marconi plc in 1999. - nothing to do with labour.

British Aerospace (Chadderton) - The site was closed in 2012, after BAE announced that it was no longer viable to operate from the site. At the time, BAE had 200 employees at the site. 160 employees, and ongoing work at the site, were transferred to Samlesbury Aerodrome - under the tories.

Mather & Platt's - it continues as a food processing and packaging business, trading as M & P Engineering in Trafford Park, Manchester - nothing to do with Labour.

Labour destroyed more engineering in Manchester than Maggie & the Luftwaffe did put together. - quite clearly bollocks.

But it isn't tho.

GEC at trafford park closed 2002 under labours watch.
British Aerospace (Chadderton) might have finally closed when the Tories were in power but all the damage was done earlier. Thousands were employed on the site, and the apprentice school used to take on 60-80 apprentices a year when the Tories were in power. All the mass redundancies and shipping people off to Woodford etc happened under Labours watch.
Mather & Platts was renowned for pumps, not food packaging etc and the site at Newton Heath was gutted and the mass redundancies happened under Labour.