a secular society by 2030

[Shadz69]

Was surprised by that myself lad you have worked long and hard to earn that title and Flash waltzes in and takes it from you.

I'm gutted mate.
When I think of just how many folk I have upset,and how many bans I have had laying the foundations for my title.
And now this Johnny-come-lately Flash chappie steals my thunder.
Although at least he got the 'most folk on Bluemoon are *****' bit spot on.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

He has me in 3rd. I want blood.

NOTE to NF and SWPs back.MUST TRY HARDER

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

paul just can't keep away, only a matter of time before he returns

I think he already has mate.

 

[johnny on the spot]

paul just can't keep away, only a matter of time before he returns

What, like three days?

 

[cockneycarparkm32]

Imagine being able to tap into the 90% of the brain we dont even use , I learned something in science all those years ago :)

You actually got a source for this mythical 90% unused brain?

In fairness any brief visit to the matchday forum would reveal several brains that are clearly operating at much less than 10% of full capacity.

10% would be stretching it a bit NF .
My old science teacher used to say that we only use 1 in 10 nerve cells at any one given time , its where the 10% analogy comes from .

psst. We do use 100% of it SWPback , not all of the time though especially with the advent of t`internet .

 

[Weloveyoucitywedo]

I've been reading a book recently called mbraining.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.mbraining.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mbraining.com/</a>

There's an argument to suggest we have 3 brains.

It's widely acknowledged that we have 2 conscious/sub conscious, logical/emotional etc, I found this book to be a good for those wanting to learn more.

Many people only understand the logical aspect of intelligence as it's pretty much all we are taught.

 

[tonea2003]

paul just can't keep away, only a matter of time before he returns

I think he already has mate.

i meant as his orginal "pauldominic"

agree he is already back as his alter ego

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

You talk as if logic is the only intelligence, anyone who has ever recovered from depression or anxiety for example knows you have to switch off the logic and use your emotional intelligence to deal with whatever the issue is.

You say arguing against logic is asisnine, that's only because from the age of 4 you've been through a dogmatic western education system that ONLY teaches logic, certainly when you go to university, logic is all that's taught. sadly in my opinion.

As city fans, we don't use logic. If we did we'd all be United fans. Logically there is no reason whatsoever for any of us to support city. When i was growing up United we're the best team in england, arguably the world, whilst we we're in division 3, if i'd used logic i'd go to watch united, but like most people on here I had an emotional attachment to City so that would overide any logical thought and i'm glad it did. Supprting city in itself is a logical fallacy but i'm sure we're all glad that we do.

COuld we prove we have an emotional/spiritual bond with city? No, we couldn't, but we all know it's true.

Only when you pull away from logic can science move forward, I would advise you to be a bit more open to new ideas and not base your opinions on your university indoctornation.

Remember, all logic is, is things that you've learned from other people, nothing more.

I also think dawkins is a genius, by going agaisnt the grain of british society he has made millions.

Your whole precise that logic is somehow a thing you learn from other people, is just wrong. If I were born and left on an island by myself, I would still develop logical skills, if we met aliens from a distant civilisation, they would use logic in much the same way we do. Logic is a product of the universe we live and how beings like ourselves can make sense of it. We're not even the only animals on earth that use logic.

You say that this is because I've been through a Western education system which 'indoctrinated me', which is interesting because I actually was home schooled for much of my childhood because I was very ill. I taught myself by reading widely, anything and everything. You also use the example of 'switching off the logic' and using emotional intelligence to help get over depression. Which is a contradiction in and of itself. By switching off 'what you see to be logical' you are benefiting from it which instantly makes it a 'logical' thing to do. Emotions are complex, but ultimately they have been crafted to benefit humans in wider society and allow them to succeed.

Being a City fan to me was an entirely logical decision, I was taken to watch them by my uncle, my dad and my cousin. Now what is the most socially beneficial thing to do when you're in that situation as an eight-year-old? Support the other team? No, you see, humans are tribal creatures and we like being part of something in a social context, because it is/was beneficial to our evolution. It's certainly not a logical fallacy to support City, and this indicates to me that you have an overly simplified view of what the logic in these systems implies.

You seem to think that our emotional intelligence can't be logical because logic is 'simplistic, cold and mechanical'. If you ask me, you're thinking about it all wrong, the logic which drives our emotions is so complex it is beautiful, and it is something to be marvelled at and not simply written off as being something 'supernatural and unexplainable'. The reason that scientists have become less spiritual over the years is because science itself has transcended into the realm of the fantastical, we don't need gods to be amazed by things any more, we see that the universe itself is an amazing place to be.

When you say 'be open to new ideas', you haven't actually proposed anything new other than 'not everything can be explained by empirical logic'. Well then, if you don't explain things via that then propose something which is better and we will use that. Until then all you've done is derided science without actually proposing anything better.

 

[roaminblue]

further to what SkyBlueFlux has said, logic is reasoning through validity. To seperate logic from emotional intelligence is to suggest they are mutually exclusive, which of course is not the case.

There is an incredible amount of research dedicated to concepts such as intrinsic motivation; which is the epitome of using emotional intelligence in a logical manner

 

[The Flash]

I'm gutted mate.
When I think of just how many folk I have upset,and how many bans I have had laying the foundations for my title.
And now this Johnny-come-lately Flash chappie steals my thunder.
Although at least he got the 'most folk on Bluemoon are *****' bit spot on.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

He has me in 3rd. I want blood.

NOTE to NF and SWPs back.MUST TRY HARDER

I would just like to apologise to Nij and SWPs back for having the temerity to be Prozac Paul's most hated poster.

I am however, very, very proud of the award bestowed upon me by Mr Dominic, my first on Bluemoon, and I will cherish it.

Allahu Akbar!

 

[Weloveyoucitywedo]

Your whole precise that logic is somehow a thing you learn from other people, is just wrong. If I were born and left on an island by myself, I would still develop logical skills, if we met aliens from a distant civilisation, they would use logic in much the same way we do. Logic is a product of the universe we live and how beings like ourselves can make sense of it. We're not even the only animals on earth that use logic.

You say that this is because I've been through a Western education system which 'indoctrinated me', which is interesting because I actually was home schooled for much of my childhood because I was very ill. I taught myself by reading widely, anything and everything. You also use the example of 'switching off the logic' and using emotional intelligence to help get over depression. Which is a contradiction in and of itself. By switching off 'what you see to be logical' you are benefiting from it which instantly makes it a 'logical' thing to do. Emotions are complex, but ultimately they have been crafted to benefit humans in wider society and allow them to succeed.

Being a City fan to me was an entirely logical decision, I was taken to watch them by my uncle, my dad and my cousin. Now what is the most socially beneficial thing to do when you're in that situation as an eight-year-old? Support the other team? No, you see, humans are tribal creatures and we like being part of something in a social context, because it is/was beneficial to our evolution. It's certainly not a logical fallacy to support City, and this indicates to me that you have an overly simplified view of what the logic in these systems implies.

You seem to think that our emotional intelligence can't be logical because logic is 'simplistic, cold and mechanical'. If you ask me, you're thinking about it all wrong, the logic which drives our emotions is so complex it is beautiful, and it is something to be marvelled at and not simply written off as being something 'supernatural and unexplainable'. The reason that scientists have become less spiritual over the years is because science itself has transcended into the realm of the fantastical, we don't need gods to be amazed by things any more, we see that the universe itself is an amazing place to be.

When you say 'be open to new ideas', you haven't actually proposed anything new other than 'not everything can be explained by empirical logic'. Well then, if you don't explain things via that then propose something which is better and we will use that. Until then all you've done is derided science without actually proposing anything better.




From Clip: To question, to be logical, to doubt... any fool can do it. To open up, to relax, to live in grace, you need intelligence. If you are living only by your so called logic, you are living by the logic society gave you. If you are living by logic you don't need to visualize hell. You're already in it. It's not a way i'd like to live. I acknowlege it's how modern society works, but to hear people use words such as 'enemy of reason', wasn't that a book? Shows that we are in a pretty sad state and a long way from being enlightened.

As for supporting city being logical, to me there's nothing less logical than being at notts county or gillingham on a tues night when i could have walked to old trafford and watched United against barcelona or juventus, but no i repsected my initial emotion, and remember emotion always arises before logic and i'm glad that I did.