Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

The polls say otherwise. The referendum is over, but the leave campaign never talked about the financial cost, never mind the divorce bill, whatever one thinks of the £350 million to the NHS slogan the whole thrust of the leave campaign was the savings we were going to make, the additional funds we'd have, what few economic projections leave did produce assumed unfettered access to the single market, plus all the cheaper goodies from the fabulous trade deals we were going to pull off. All lies of course but hey ho! That's politics.

What is truly perplexing is that leavers, even now, seem to be avoiding taking ownership of this, with all it's ramifications and because they refuse to do this they might well end up with all the pain but none of the gain.

near enough every poll for the last few years has said the people want immigration lowered and its the main reason leave won imo. i agree the 350m was stupid and they never should have said that. the difference is though is that they offered a positive vision for britain outside of the eu. the remain side offered nothing, apart from everything will be worse and your an idiot if you dont vote remain. your right it is politics all sides lied.

 

[The perfect fumble]

World Trade Organisation....is a viable option.

Really? What might be the impact on our economy of reverting to WTO rules?

 

[BobKowalski]

And now we are coming out of that political union mate, achieved through a referendum and enacted upon by an elected government of today.

Yes we are.

We are also coming out of the trading union as well.

Or trying to at any rate. Ending the political union is relatively easy given we were always somewhat semi detached. The trading union we are fully enmeshed in and ripping us out will cause damage to manufacturing and financial service industries unless, as I suspect, we operate under a transitional deal that will prove to be not quite so transitional.

The next two years will be fascinating.

 

[The perfect fumble]

near enough every poll for the last few years has said the people want immigration lowered and its the main reason leave won imo. i agree the 350m was stupid and they never should have said that. the difference is though is that they offered a positive vision for britain outside of the eu. the remain side offered nothing, apart from everything will be worse and your an idiot if you dont vote remain. your right it is politics all sides lied.

Yes they did, but leave won so your lies matter.

 

[Metal Biker]

Really? What might be the impact on our economy of reverting to WTO rules?

A rather obvious pro-remain narrative here, so you should indulge in it, specifically the snarky remarks about "regaining sovereignty ONLY to rejoin the world!". Not accurate that statement now, is it. But anyhoo...
http://www.economist.com/news/finan...pendent-member-wto-could-be-difficult-process

As it's been stated dozens of times; our economy will take a knock. Another recession perhaps? But again, i'm not thinking short term, i'm thinking long term. The EU is the directive, making decisions on our behalf, even if they are detrimental to us, the EU is the sole focus and the one that must be seen to prosper. Sorry, not having that, not anymore.

What were the long term prospects of staying IN the EU? Oh yeah, remainers didn't talk about them, did they. Because they know, just as we did, the EU is tanking economically and has been doing for years with no sign of a recovery. First Greece, then Portugal, Italy, Spain, Ireland.The EU is dying, but the concept isn't gone. Tying together economies killed it. When one does great, all do great, wonderful! But when one economy fails...

 

[Saddleworth2]

Oooh, I hate to tell you this but the United Federation of Planets doesn't actually exist.

However the World Trade Organisation, and all the rules, regulations and directives contained within, DOES exist, is a possible course of action and is a viable option.

It does exist you are correct and is estimated to cost UK exporters £6bn per year if that outcome is followed.

 

[arbabarshad]

Really? What might be the impact on our economy of reverting to WTO rules?

Impact assessment is still to be done. It is due to be scheduled to be completed by the scheduled end of this parliament.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Really? What might be the impact on our economy of reverting to WTO rules?

£6bn per year for UK firms is the best estimate.

 

[inbetween]

May caused a stupid election to try to bully Brexit through, with the additional bonus of destroying Labour.
Labour looked to be on their knees, partly because their vote was split by Brexit.
May was Prime Minsiter because Cameron resigned.
Cameron resigned because of the Brexit vote.

This entire fucking nightmare scenario we are walking into was caused by people voting for something they had no real comprehension of.

It wasn't a democratic decision, it was a referendum. It was one which shouldn't have taken place because of it's significance, and it was one conducted on lies which fed ignorance. I'm telling you, this is not over. As the people who voted for this start to realise (and that process is starting already without a doubt) what it actually entails, public opinion will continue to swing and there still could be a way out of this.

The vote did not ask do you want to kill off the country or even do you want to make it better, the vote asked do you want to leave the EU.

Nothing else is relevant, all of this was relevant when trying to appeal to people to decide based upon what might happen and they decided we should leave.

Debate about this is now pointless because even if overwhelming evidence appears that we are walking off a cliff it is still what we must do unfortunately.

 

[Saddleworth2]

The vote did not ask do you want to kill off the country or even do you want to make it better, the vote asked do you want to leave the EU.

Nothing else is relevant, all of this was relevant when trying to appeal to people to decide based upon what might happen and they decided we should leave.

Debate about this is now pointless because even if overwhelming evidence appears that we are walking off a cliff it is still what we must do unfortunately.

Is that true though? If the deal we get demonstrates unequivocally that the UK will be seriously harmed, can you not see a circumstance that its brought back to the country as a referendum?