E-cig's

BlueInCanada said:
I just glanced at the last 4/5 pages and holy shit. All this extra equipment and expense just to quit smoking? Just don't buy them?

Makes me wonder when 'they' decide that inhaling water vapour is a shitter on the lungs and the new way to fuck yourself up is born.
It started as a way to stop smoking, and it worked. Now, speaking for myself, I just enjoy it. I never actually wanted to quit smoking, I just didn't want to die from it if that makes sense. That "herb" vape mentioned a few posts ago looked alright to get fucked up on....
 
BlueInCanada said:
I just glanced at the last 4/5 pages and holy shit. All this extra equipment and expense just to quit smoking? Just don't buy them?

Makes me wonder when 'they' decide that inhaling water vapour is a shitter on the lungs and the new way to fuck yourself up is born.

All this "extra equipment and expense" does not cost nowhere near the amount to what smoking costs.
And as for the "water vapor" it doesn't contain all the tar and shit that does cause harm in cigarettes. I suggest you go back a few more pages and you may find an article that IanBishopsHaircut posted;

In fact I'll save you the bother I've found it myself:

IanBishopsHaircut said:
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/casaa-new-study-confirms-that-chemicals-in-electronic-cigarettes-pose-minimal-health-risk-218843731.html

E-cigarette users can breathe a little easier today. A study just released by Professor Igor Burstyn, Drexel University School of Public Health, confirms that chemicals in electronic cigarettes (e-cigarettes) pose no health concern for users or bystanders. This is the first definitive study of e-cigarette chemistry, and finds that there are no health concerns based on generally accepted exposure limits.

E-cigarettes are devices that heat a nicotine solution to create an aerosol (called "vapor") that the user inhales, similar to smoking a cigarette. They are used as a low-risk substitute for smoking by millions of former smokers, and their increasing popularity seems to account for the current downward trend in smoking in the U.S. and some other countries. While experts agree that the risks posed by e-cigarettes are significantly less than those posed by smoking, there had been some debate about how much lower the risk was.

By reviewing over 9,000 observations about the chemistry of the vapor and the liquid in e-cigarettes, Dr. Burstyn was able to determine that the levels of contaminants e-cigarette users are exposed to are insignificant, far below levels that would pose any health risk. Additionally, there is no health risk to bystanders. Proposals to ban e-cigarettes in places where smoking is banned have been based on concern there is a potential risk to bystanders, but the study shows there is no concern.

This was the first study funded by the by The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives (CASAA) Research Fund. CASAA, the leading consumer advocacy group promoting the availability and use of low-risk alternatives to smoking, is an all-volunteer, donation-funded organization. CASAA President Elaine Keller said of the study, "Over the years, there have been a lot of small studies of e-cigarette liquid and vapor, but those studies were either ignored or misinterpreted. Those that showed even the slightest contamination were used for propaganda by those who object to e-cigarettes because they look like smoking. We realized that an expert review was needed to give an unbiased explanation of the available scientific evidence for our membership and policy makers. We reached out to our membership and they enthusiastically donated to make it possible."

CASAA Scientific Director, Carl V. Phillips, summarized the importance of the study, saying "It has always been clear that e-cigarettes were much lower risk than smoking, but there was uncertainty about whether continuing to inhale a mix of chemicals posed a measurable risk. Even those of us who have long encouraged smokers to switch are a bit surprised that even the worst-case-scenario risks are so low. This study assures us that e-cigarettes are as low risk as other smoke-free tobacco and nicotine products, like smokeless tobacco and NRT. All of these products are about 99% less harmful than smoking, and so smokers who switch to them gain basically the same health benefits as if they quit tobacco and nicotine entirely."

Dr. Phillips added that "there has been a call for 'regulatory science' by the FDA. This is exactly the type of science that is needed to make good regulation and informed individual decisions: it summarizes all of the available knowledge and puts the numbers in a useful perspective."

The study did caution that e-cigarette users are inhaling substantial quantities of the main chemicals in e-cigarette liquid (propylene glycol and glycerin). While these chemicals are not considered dangerous and the levels are far below occupational exposure limits, Dr. Burstyn did suggest ongoing monitoring to confirm that there is no risk. The chemical contaminants are of even less concern. While there have been many claims that formaldehyde, acrolein, nitrosamines, metals, and ethylene glycol found in e-cigarette vapor poses a health hazard, the study concluded that all of these have been found only at trivial levels that pose no health concern.

The study did not address the effects of nicotine because e-cigarette users are consuming it intentionally. Nicotine, when it does not involve smoking, is very low risk and has not been clearly shown to cause any disease. However, like caffeine and other common indulgences, it may cause some tiny risk of heart attack and stroke, and so e-cigarettes, along with other tobacco and nicotine products, are probably not risk-free. If there is any risk from nicotine, however, it is so low that it is similar to everyday hazards like drinking coffee or eating dessert, and is far less than the risk from smoking.

The study is available at <a class="postlink" href="http://publichealth.drexel.edu/SiteData/docs/ms08/f90349264250e603/ms08.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://publichealth.drexel.edu/SiteData ... 3/ms08.pdf</a>.


SOURCE Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association
 
Good report that........I am dealing with trading standards at the moment with regards to how our products are sold and what must be on the boxes of liquids, they don't seem to have much of an idea and its a nightmare as they know nothing about them.
 
EastStandLower said:
BlueInCanada said:
I just glanced at the last 4/5 pages and holy shit. All this extra equipment and expense just to quit smoking? Just don't buy them?

Makes me wonder when 'they' decide that inhaling water vapour is a shitter on the lungs and the new way to fuck yourself up is born.

How exactly is inhaling on a ecig fucking yourself up? I suggest you sell your scientific findings to the tobacco companies, you'll become a millionaire! They've been trying to find this evidence for years. I'm sure the ecig industry must be shaking in their boots?

Where exactly did I say it did fuck you up? I suggest you re-read what people write before getting yourself all worked up about something on a forum. Im sure, what with all the smoking and drinking you do, this doesn't help your high blood pressure.

As for all the scientific reports saying its all fine and dandy, 'they' were saying the same thing about smoking now so long ago. Same with many things. Anything from prescription drugs, to which position your baby should be sleeping at night.

Stop being a pussy and just fucking quit already. Im sure some scientist has linked having no will power to your blood pressure problem.
 
So a study funded by The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives (CASAA) Research Fund. CASAA, the leading consumer advocacy group promoting the availability and use of low-risk alternatives to smoking, reckons they are safe.

No shit Sherlock!

Very objective I'm sure.
 
denislawsbackheel said:
So a study funded by The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives (CASAA) Research Fund. CASAA, the leading consumer advocacy group promoting the availability and use of low-risk alternatives to smoking, reckons they are safe.

No shit Sherlock!

Very objective I'm sure.

Who gives a fuck if they are safe or not. People enjoy using them and want to use them. People thinking they have a right to police other peoples lives is the root cause of 90% of the shite in this world.
 
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E-Cig Busybodies Aboard!!!!
 
BlueInCanada said:
EastStandLower said:
BlueInCanada said:
I just glanced at the last 4/5 pages and holy shit. All this extra equipment and expense just to quit smoking? Just don't buy them?

Makes me wonder when 'they' decide that inhaling water vapour is a shitter on the lungs and the new way to fuck yourself up is born.

How exactly is inhaling on a ecig fucking yourself up? I suggest you sell your scientific findings to the tobacco companies, you'll become a millionaire! They've been trying to find this evidence for years. I'm sure the ecig industry must be shaking in their boots?

Where exactly did I say it did fuck you up? I suggest you re-read what people write before getting yourself all worked up about something on a forum. Im sure, what with all the smoking and drinking you do, this doesn't help your high blood pressure.

As for all the scientific reports saying its all fine and dandy, 'they' were saying the same thing about smoking now so long ago. Same with many things. Anything from prescription drugs, to which position your baby should be sleeping at night.

Stop being a pussy and just fucking quit already. Im sure some scientist has linked having no will power to your blood pressure problem.

Apologies I did misread you post, however you seem to be accusing me of being a smoker which I'm not, I haven't smoked in over a year since I started vaping.
Im sure, what with all the smoking and drinking you do, this doesn't help your high blood pressure
You don't know me so how do you qualify this statement? I suggest you get your facts correct before getting yourself all worked up about something on a forum Buddy!
 
EastStandLower said:
BlueInCanada said:
EastStandLower said:
How exactly is inhaling on a ecig fucking yourself up? I suggest you sell your scientific findings to the tobacco companies, you'll become a millionaire! They've been trying to find this evidence for years. I'm sure the ecig industry must be shaking in their boots?

Where exactly did I say it did fuck you up? I suggest you re-read what people write before getting yourself all worked up about something on a forum. Im sure, what with all the smoking and drinking you do, this doesn't help your high blood pressure.

As for all the scientific reports saying its all fine and dandy, 'they' were saying the same thing about smoking now so long ago. Same with many things. Anything from prescription drugs, to which position your baby should be sleeping at night.

Stop being a pussy and just fucking quit already. Im sure some scientist has linked having no will power to your blood pressure problem.

Apologies I did misread you post, however you seem to be accusing me of being a smoker which I'm not, I haven't smoked in over a year since I started vaping.
Im sure, what with all the smoking and drinking you do, this doesn't help your high blood pressure
You don't know me so how do you qualify this statement? I suggest you get your facts correct before getting yourself all worked up about something on a forum Buddy!


Exactly, fuck him, I misread his post too, the cunning fucker. Luckily I didn't bother replying, glad I didn't now, hard luck mate.

Fucking colonials.
 

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