Ferguson v Thatcher

[Dextersmate]

Fergiscum, no brainer.

Maggie was just fantastic , the way she tidied up Britain was a joy to behold.

If only we had her now,this country would be sorted in an hour and a half.

We do have her now,its called camoron.

 

[BillyMC]

Margaret Thatcher was the best leader this country has ever had. Only one to come close to her was Churchill.

you cannot really believe this!

if you list the witches achievements next to churchills then there is no comparison.

Churchill
saved the country from being overun by the nazis, thus enabling democracy to return to europe and stopped millions more being subject to genocide.

Thatcher
ripped the heart out of the industrial base of the uk
destroyed the link between the comunity and the police by using the police as a private army.
splintered the NHS so that it became a postcode lottery
sold off the nationalised industries for peanuts to fund short term tax cuts
stopped national planning for infrastructure (railways, gas telecoms, water, roads, airports etc)
oversaw the highest level of unemployment in UK history.
cut the armed services more than any other leader in history (now overtaken by slimey Dave)

which was best?

Not sure what History books you read but The Red Army categorically saved Europe and Britain from the Nazis.The job was done by the time the DDay landings occured. Militarily Churchill was poor at best.

 

[Dextersmate]

you cannot really believe this!

if you list the witches achievements next to churchills then there is no comparison.

Churchill
saved the country from being overun by the nazis, thus enabling democracy to return to europe and stopped millions more being subject to genocide.

Thatcher
ripped the heart out of the industrial base of the uk
destroyed the link between the comunity and the police by using the police as a private army.
splintered the NHS so that it became a postcode lottery
sold off the nationalised industries for peanuts to fund short term tax cuts
stopped national planning for infrastructure (railways, gas telecoms, water, roads, airports etc)
oversaw the highest level of unemployment in UK history.
cut the armed services more than any other leader in history (now overtaken by slimey Dave)

which was best?

Not sure what History books you read but The Red Army categorically saved Europe and Britain from the Nazis.The job was done by the time the DDay landings occured. Militarily Churchill was poor at best.

Tin hat time for you Billy.I agree though.

 

[daveduke67]

How about baconface gets tied up by Thatcher and just as the S&M session is about to start, Thatcher suffers heart attack and dies leaving fergie tied up and unable to free himself.

And to top it all , two weeks later ratface breaks into fergies dungeon and slips on the goo that has eminated from the decaying bodies, and impales himself on Thatchers strap-on. Then Clattenburg comes in wondering why he hasn't had his manilla envelope for a few weeks .............. this is getting silly.

 

[pirate]

Not sure what History books you read but The Red Army categorically saved Europe and Britain from the Nazis.The job was done by the time the DDay landings occured. Militarily Churchill was poor at best.

Tin hat time for you Billy.I agree though.

and who supplied the soviets with raw materials and weapons?
That would be the US.
And why were the US involved in europe?
because they had a base to work from, the UK.
And why did they have a base to work from?
because churchill wouldnt negotiate surrender in 40 although the majority of the cabinet wanted to.

the sacrifices of the soviet citizens and soldiers should never be forgotten and without that sacrifice the germans would have undoubtably won but without the continued fight of the UK their sacrifices probably would have been in vain. Also think about the german/italian troops tied up in north africa and france that would otherwise have been available to the eastern front. Not to mention the production that would have been available in safe uk factories, no bombing of german factories, no need to concentrate on u boat production (over 800 built after 1940, consider if tht effort went to tank production) and possibly the most important the germans gaining the control of middle east oil if uk had surrendered.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Not sure what History books you read but The Red Army categorically saved Europe and Britain from the Nazis.The job was done by the time the DDay landings occured. Militarily Churchill was poor at best.

The Red Army stood by as Hitler's armies rampaged through Europe. Stalin's treaty with Hitler meant the Germand could devote all their resources to the Western Front, then turn round and attack in the East, condemining millions of people to their deaths.

 

[stavros]

ben thatcher definatley

 

[Skashion]

Not sure what History books you read but The Red Army categorically saved Europe and Britain from the Nazis.The job was done by the time the DDay landings occured. Militarily Churchill was poor at best.

I doubt the Soviets could have won the war by themselves. There are other things beyond raw casualty statistics, which of course, favour the war of extermination on the Eastern Front. Firstly there is intelligence to consider, and no question that Britain was unsurpassed at this during the war. Ultra might even have been the decisive factor in war all else considered - and information we gained was passed onto the Soviets by at least three channels, and was extensively used from 1943 onwards. Secondly, the wasted resources and manpower the Nazis had to commit simply because they were in a multi-front war, which could have otherwise been committed on the eastern front. Even at the end of the war German still had a huge amount of divisions occupying Norway, forty if I recall rightly. You don't even need to fire a shot for this to be a killer. Thirdly, look at prisoners too, for instance, more German soldiers were captured in North Africa than at Stalingrad, far more. Add the Italians into that and the numbers begin to look very healthy for the western allies. Germans were far more willing to surrender to the western allies than to the Soviets, for obvious reasons. Fourthly, look at the supplies, again using the Stalingrad comparison, far more supplies went to the bottom of the Mediterranean courtesy of the Swordfishes based on Malta than were needed to sustain the effort in Stalingrad. Yes, Soviets played the biggest part but single-handedly, no, and had the western allies not been in Europe at the end of the war, it would have undoubtedly fallen under the Iron Curtain too.