If this guy becomes Prime Minister...

I can't say Miliband fills me with confidence but the thought of this man in 11 Downing St fills me with horror:

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blue cigar said:
Would anyone seriously prefer farage to miliband? Ukip,the party where closet racists can find a home. The one thing cameron has over miliband is his persona,he comes across well and speaks well,and yet....for all that and considering the daily mail mob state that he is doing a great job...he is at best level pegging with the "useless" miliband? I suspect tory voters are very very nervous right now and so they should be,the nest they can get is another coalition...god help us if cameron ever did get a majority.

But I really like the idea of getting out of the EU and UKIP will not get enough votes to gain power but a strong UKIP showing in the election will ensure the EU referendum will not be bodged as it would be devastating for the Tories if they are seen to be conning their core right wing voters.

No one in this country has ever voted on the EU and I am sure that when the referendum eventually comes older voters even the ones who voted for joining the Common market will put that right by voting to come out.

So for me an ideal outcome would be Tories first and UKIP second
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
chabal said:
Thatcher got a second class honours degree.

Just a pity she didn't end up as a regional sales manager looking after a team of IT reps in North and West Yorkshire.
That would have been some high-performing team!

They would have been on the minimum wage and then dismissed before they qualified for employment rights.

And she wouldn't have been happy with them trading with Europe either.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Someone who has those qualifications, who comes across as poorly (and lacking in intellectual sharpness) as Milliband does, suggests hard work and a complete lack of a social life, rather than genuine, innate talent was the prime factor in those qualifications. Nothing wrong with those characteristics, far from it. I greatly admire people who make the most of whatever talent they possess, but we're talking of someone running to be Prime Minister, not soneone about to undertake a second interview for the role of regional sales manager looking after a team of IT reps in North and West Yorkshire.

Stupid? Demonstrably not.

Impressively intelligent? I would also say not.

Since when has a persons ability to communicate been any indication of intellectual sharpness?

I know people who communicate superbly but are intellectual wastelands
 
Rascal said:
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Someone who has those qualifications, who comes across as poorly (and lacking in intellectual sharpness) as Milliband does, suggests hard work and a complete lack of a social life, rather than genuine, innate talent was the prime factor in those qualifications. Nothing wrong with those characteristics, far from it. I greatly admire people who make the most of whatever talent they possess, but we're talking of someone running to be Prime Minister, not soneone about to undertake a second interview for the role of regional sales manager looking after a team of IT reps in North and West Yorkshire.

Stupid? Demonstrably not.

Impressively intelligent? I would also say not.

Since when has a persons ability to communicate been any indication of intellectual sharpness?

I know people who communicate superbly but are intellectual wastelands
It is some indication. There are many means of evaluating intelligence. To suggest, as you did, that an ability to communicate has no currency in that regard is utterly wrong.

I would suggest it's more important in a politician's intelligence tick list than pretty much any other profession. If someone lacks that form of intelligence I would suggest a career in politics isn't for them. An ability to communicate well is quite an important part of the job.
 
He is the very reason that for the first time in my life, im 44, I wont be voting Labour.
 
I can understand why some maybe voting Tory this time around but I will never understand them being enthusiastic about it. As a life long labour voter (and former council candidate) I find the current mob a betrayal of working people. I will vote labour again in a safe labour seat but with a heavy heart. Labour have lost the arguments because they lack a sense of direction and moral purpose fit for the modern world. If they cannot unseat the current crop they deserve to be cast out into the wilderness. There is no alternative at the moment. We need a party that works with new and dynamic wealth creators to create an equal and vibrant society. We need radical libertarianism, flat rate taxes with high thresholds. Free the public services from the tyranny of targets athat create perverse incentives in the delivery of services. We live in an increasingly information led era. Give people the facts and let them make decisions at a truly local level. Europe s a smoke screen and the arguments about immigration all amount to the same end point. We need it, we need to manage it better and we need to be hard on those who abuse it. As the centre left loses its grip on power, with devolution putting a final nail in the coffin of socialism as we knew it, can we please have a real alternative ( and no, not UKIP
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
It is some indication. There are many means of evaluating intelligence. To suggest, as you did, that an ability to communicate has no currency in that regard is utterly wrong.

I would suggest it's more important in a politician's intelligence tick list than pretty much any other profession. If someone lacks that form of intelligence I would suggest a career in politics isn't for them. An ability to communicate well is quite an important part of the job.

So Hawkings lack of communication skills means his intelligence should be questioned.

I thought you would see through "presentation" politics and realise that there is room for both visionaries such as Atlee and orators such as Churchill. A mix of both is rare, even Obama failed in his vision as style won over substance.

Maybe its just me that prefers a man with a clear political vision and understanding of the world than a man who can talk well whilst having a head full of broken biscuits.
 
Rascal said:
gordondaviesmoustache said:
It is some indication. There are many means of evaluating intelligence. To suggest, as you did, that an ability to communicate has no currency in that regard is utterly wrong.

I would suggest it's more important in a politician's intelligence tick list than pretty much any other profession. If someone lacks that form of intelligence I would suggest a career in politics isn't for them. An ability to communicate well is quite an important part of the job.

So Hawkings lack of communication skills means his intelligence should be questioned.

I thought you would see through "presentation" politics and realise that there is room for both visionaries such as Atlee and orators such as Churchill. A mix of both is rare, even Obama failed in his vision as style won over substance.

Maybe its just me that prefers a man with a clear political vision and understanding of the world than a man who can talk well whilst having a head full of broken biscuits.
I think Stephen Hawkin conveys his thoughts in a beautifully funny, cheeky and hugely intelligent way. What a strange thing to suggest otherwise. He is a truly brilliant communicator.

Do you think because he has a disability that he is unable to communicate?
 

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