Israel-Palestine Conflict

[domalino]

So you agree, in principle at least, that Israel, as the victim of October 7th, has the right to seek justice and that trying to capture/eliminate Hamas is totally justified (in principle, we do not need to agree on the method). You must also agree then that the way out of this mess is for everybody on the side of the innocents to call for Hamas, the perpetrators of 7th October, to surrender and give back the kidnapped Israelis?

“This mess”

It’s not a fucking mess it’s a genocide.

 

[Palerider]

So why does Israel favour a one state solution based on the whole of the ancient land of Israel?

From another search on the Internet.

"A non-equal non-democratic one-state solution remains more popular among both populations, supported by 30% of Palestinians and 37% of Israeli Jews."

So, (both searches not quite mating up) but a sizeable minority of both populations support a one state solution but reading between the lines a sizeable majority of both must support a two state solution.

 

[inbetween]

From a simple search on the Internet.

"One-state debate since 1999, According to the same poll, 66% of Jewish Israelis preferred the two-state solution. Some Israeli government spokespeople have also proposed that Palestinian-majority areas of Israel, such as the area around Umm el-Fahm, be annexed to the new Palestinian state."

Regardless of what Israeli's prefer, how do you get to that end goal? It isn't true that Israel merely just needs to grant it and that's that. The Israeli government is not the only component stopping a two state solution. A two state solution requires a negotiation involving coherent demands on the part of two calm and sensible sides.

Israel is currently at war with an organisation that does not want a two state solution and is propped up by countries that believe that Israel should not exist. Can the Palestinians vote out the Iranian government, Hezbollah or Hamas who all have a state aim to end Israel? How can any negotiation therefore ever succeed?

Obviously Israel does not want a two-state solution either but that is just on the part of the Netanyahu government and at least the government in Israel can be voted out.

 

[Scottyboi]

Disgusting, couldn't even let the last one go could they. I'm sure there will be plenty of people online defending it saying they must have been Hamas. How do you live with yourself after pushing the button on that?

 

[Postman Pep]

 

[Postman Pep]

2 state solution update

 

[BayernMan]

 

[mccity]

Just a reminder: If you think somebody has been antisemitic or islamophobic (or any kind of racist for that matter), then it's REALLY important that you report it immediately and DO NOT address it in the thread. When accusations are thrown publicly, things can get messy and very difficult to moderate. We've just had to remove a lot of posts because of such an accusation not being reported properly.

This thread is obviously about a very sensitive topic, and we want you to be able to debate it without worrying about getting caught up in certain rhetorics or having to argue about them when relating to each other

Edit: Also I want to add that some perfectly civil posts were removed, and I am sorry that they had to be cleared out as part of this.

 

[Palerider]

Just a reminder: If you think somebody has been antisemitic or islamophobic (or any kind of racist for that matter), then it's REALLY important that you report it immediately and DO NOT address it in the thread. When accusations are thrown publicly, things can get messy and very difficult to moderate. We've just had to remove a lot of posts because of such an accusation not being reported properly.

This thread is obviously about a very sensitive topic, and we want you to be able to debate it without worrying about getting caught up in certain rhetorics or having to argue about them when relating to each other

Point taken and I agree entirely with the policy.

 

[KPXBLN]

2 state solution update

I read that this is the largest single such seizure of land since the Oslo Accords: it's so, so obvious to anyone who isn't deluding themselves that Israel is currently pursuing a policy of ethnic cleansing in both Gaza and the West Bank. It's much more violent in the former case, obviously, but the overall dynamics are the same: take as much land as possible while arranging to have as few Palestinians as possible living on it.