Mathew Stadlen and the stolen mobile phone.

He's correct it's not a mugging. To be a mugging it would need force or threat of force. The phone was just snatched when he wasn't alert and fully aware of his surroundings.

Getting pickpocketed or fooled by a hugger-mugger (unless they have a strong and persistent grip) wouldn't be a mugging either.

It was a still daft comment to make though.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
He's correct it's not a mugging. To be a mugging it would need force or threat of force. The phone was just snatched when he wasn't alert and fully aware of his surroundings.

Getting pickpocketed or fooled by a hugger-mugger (unless they have a strong and persistent grip) wouldn't be a mugging either.

It was a still daft comment to make though.
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Isn’t robbery the term for theft with threat/use of force and mugging a theft in a public place?
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Isn’t robbery the term for theft with threat/use of force and mugging a theft in a public place?
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Correct. Mug(ging) is a colloquial term it isn't a legal definition.

Mugging:

quick violent robbery of a person, usually in a public place.There have been three muggings in this street in the past week.

Robbery is basically theft aggravated by violence. It doesn't have to be public place though. Burglary is theft aggravated by trespass. Aggravated burglary includes violence but if there's more serious violence it becomes robbery.

Robbery legal definition from Theft Act (1968)

(1)A person is guilty of robbery if he steals, and immediately before or at the time of doing so, and in order to do so, he uses force on any person or puts or seeks to put any person in fear of being then and there subjected to force.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
Correct. Mug(ging) is a colloquial term it isn't a legal definition.

Mugging:

quick violent robbery of a person, usually in a public place.There have been three muggings in this street in the past week.

Robbery is basically theft aggravated by violence. It doesn't have to be public place though. Burglary is theft aggravated by trespass. Aggravated burglary includes violence but if there's more serious violence it becomes robbery.

Robbery legal definition from Theft Act (1968)

(1)A person is guilty of robbery if he steals, and immediately before or at the time of doing so, and in order to do so, he uses force on any person or puts or seeks to put any person in fear of being then and there subjected to force.
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Cheers. I remember years ago that a mate of mine had his phone nicked and was punched in the face, so when the attacker was convicted, he got a harsher sentence and fine than he would have if he hadn’t punched him.

This bloke probably paid for his phone to be taken.
 
ganganvince said:
What do they do with the phones as you remotely brick it can't be a huge market for spares
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That's probably not correct. How do all those dodgy phone accessories and repair shops get their expensive genuine parts for the latest phones and undercut manufacturer's repair services?

A fence gets the phones in bulk and the screen and anything that is salvageable individually will go into repairing the latest phones.

It's probably not highly lucrative for the kids on bikes but that's why it's just kids on bikes or crackheads doing it.
 
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