Rishi Sunak

[maxwellblue]

But one where people contribute evenly to?

Sounds a bit communist to me.

far from it mate, I thought that was your lot

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

far from it mate, I thought that was your lot

You’d have (wrongly) thought so, but you want a better society without contributing more than anyone else, whilst advocating that everybody in society be treated the same.

It does have a certain whiff of the C word about it.

 

[LGWIO]

Huh? People waiting for asylum are processed and put in centres awaiting their verdicts.

It’d be pretty straight forward to give them a temporary NINO and allow them to work whilst their claims were heard. They would then pay tax and NI conts on their earnings.

The only people here illegally are ones that aren’t claiming asylum and have slipped our immigration net. They will never get a NINO nor get any free treatment on the NHS nor any form of welfare benefit in the U.K..

Sorry AHT but I have to correct you a little there. there are many asylum seekers who may have been served with illegal entry papers and therefore be defacto "illegals" who have then claimed aslum. So just because they have claimed doesnt alter their "status"
As for "free treatment on NHS", nobody will be turned away from our A&Es or wards if genuinely sick.....praise be that we arent (yet) or havnet gone down that US paid medical care route (yet!) So even illegals can benefit. There is also the simple fact of beign able to get a nice fake ID to allow anyone to work. The cash economy is still rife out there.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Sorry AHT but I have to correct you a little there. there are many asylum seekers who may have been served with illegal entry papers and therefore be defacto "illegals" who have then claimed aslum. So just because they have claimed doesnt alter their "status"
As for "free treatment on NHS", nobody will be turned away from our A&Es or wards if genuinely sick.....praise be that we arent (yet) or havnet gone down that US paid medical care route (yet!) So even illegals can benefit. There is also the simple fact of beign able to get a nice fake ID to allow anyone to work. The cash economy is still rife out there.

That’s a failing of our system then and should be stopped. Maybe if we processed the claims quickly, the problem would dissipate quite quickly.

Don‘t foreign nationals have to pay to use our NHS?

 

[Dubai Blue]

ok then just for you, someone on £75k will pay about £5k more than someone on £50k when if it was just on the 20% they would only pay £2500 more. So what is the guy who pays that £2500 more getting for his money over the guy on £50k.

He's getting to benefit from a semi-functioning society, which certainly wouldn't be the case if your suggestion came to fruition. You'd either tip millions of additional people into poverty or decimate public services on a scale that would give George Osbourne a wet dream.

 

[LGWIO]

That’s a failing of our system then and should be stopped. Maybe if we processed the claims quickly, the problem would dissipate quite quickly.

Don‘t foreign nationals have to pay to use our NHS?

Not necessarily. Immediate emergency care is free to all, It would only be if admited to a ward for continued care that they "may" then be identified as a foreign national and details sought in order to try and obtain payment.....but then how do you go about getting theat if they may be living under a false identity or move from house to house etc?

But yes, many failings in the system. certainly claims could and should be dealt with more quickly, but then how do you quantify that? How long do you allow someone to submit documents? What do you accept? Do you accept copies? How can you confirm anything if they have arrived without any identity documents? How many rights of appeal do you allow? How many claims do you allow? Can you re-initiate a claim if you have previously been dealt with or dealt with in another country?

It is just one huge mess that is the gift that keeps on giving to the likes of the Daily Mail, that like the whole Israel/Palestine thing just polarises opinion.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Not necessarily. Immediate emergency care is free to all, It would only be if admited to a ward for continued care that they "may" then be identified as a foreign national and details sought in order to try and obtain payment.....but then how do you go about getting theat if they may be living under a false identity or move from house to house etc?

But yes, many failings in the system. certainly claims could and should be dealt with more quickly, but then how do you quantify that? How long do you allow someone to submit documents? What do you accept? Do you accept copies? How can you confirm anything if they have arrived without any identity documents? How many rights of appeal do you allow? How many claims do you allow? Can you re-initiate a claim if you have previously been dealt with or dealt with in another country?

It is just one huge mess that is the gift that keeps on giving to the likes of the Daily Mail, that like the whole Israel/Palestine thing just polarises opinion.

It worked far better until the system was stymied for political culture war purposes.

I’d have built more houses, trained more doctors and improved our infrastructure, meaning we wouldn’t be feeling the need to count how many is too many, rather than the managed decline of all our services.

 

[TinFoilHat]

"We have a box of questions here the PM hasn't seen and he will answer..."

Sunak looks into the box. Ignores..."Who here wants to talk about the economy?"

Even Gary Gammun is thinking he's taking the piss.

 

[maxwellblue]

You’d have (wrongly) thought so, but you want a better society without contributing more than anyone else, whilst advocating that everybody in society be treated the same.

It does have a certain whiff of the C word about it.

You got the wrong c word, had you said capitalism I would have agreed with you

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

You got the wrong c word, had you said capitalism I would have agreed with you

Pure Capitalism wouldn’t have any taxation though. What you are suggesting is the other end of the spectrum.