Shooting outside the House of Commons

cleavers said:
Statistically that may be correct, but it doesn't make terrorism acceptable does it ?

Our security services have prevented many terrorist attacks (possibly 1 future attack today), would you prefer we give that up, and concentrate on preventing suicides, or drink drivers ?
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I'm sure it comes as a great comfort to the families of the dead and injured last Wednesday that statistically they had more chance of being run down by a drunk.
 
west didsblue said:
Not going to spend an hour and eight minutes watching this. Can you tell us what it's about in a sentence or two. What warnings have been ignored?

Terrorism is not a big problem in the UK and anyone who's making out it is needs to compare it to the 70s and 80s.
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Just finished watching it. It's definitely worth a watch.

He covers some primary points:

  • He gives a lot of background to Islamic extremism in Luton, how it rose and how he as a teenager/early 20s felt like nobody was listening when he brought it to the Police, Council and MP.
  • He provides a lot of evidence of this extremism shot before 7/7 bombings, and the rallies that he and his friends attempted to organise. In it he details how the proto-EDL in Luton brought in people from across racial and religious division and were committed to ending racialisation in their town only, as it was somewhat of a base for many recruitment drives and Salafist preachers.
  • He talks about the brick wall of silence from the authorities and how Pakistani Muslim gangs in a certain area of Luton were selling heroin and grooming children, and everybody seemed to know but nobody seemed to be doing anything about it. He compared this to the Rotherham case and detailed some of what he claims is biased Police work.
  • He talks about the problem of the media in terms of labelling, and shows numerous EDL videos where they are burning Nazi flags and getting death threats from the far right Nazis yet still says that during the early 00s when he tried to highlight al-Mujahideen in his city, he was constantly linked to them in the name of anti-racist sentiment. He also admits that there's some crossover there in the later EDL years and how much it annoyed him that because they shared a common foe, they would be at the same places so it was impossible to break the stigma. He makes a big deal about how the Jewish members of the EDL came under constant scrutiny and abuse from those factions.
  • He talks about local and central Government policies that are supposed to help integration are self defeating because they're causing segregation. He also details a meeting he had with Theresa May.
  • Much of it is a microcosm of his life story. In no places does he pretend to be an angel and talks a lot about his time in prison, his crimes and other things. He comes across to me as the type of lad you'd meet at any pub in the land and I'd probably enjoy chatting to him. He has a lack of education in some areas but freely admits this and doesn't try to overreach himself, and he genuinely passionately believes that what he is doing is correct.
  • The last bit before the Q&A he talks about the problems he created for himself in the past with representation. Specifically that he grew up in a town that what heavily conservative Islam and that it tainted his views on what Islam was. Essentially that he's learned much more about Islam now and sees it as an ideology in desperate need of reform but also that not every Muslim is some evil preacher. His goal is to continue working with the moderate Islamic community to eradicate the poisionous Salafist ideology from Britain.

The Q&A can be summed up by a bunch of fucking morons say "yeah, but, you know, you're really a fascist who hates brown people right?". Who are just depressing to listen to after he explained the whole thing.

It's a good interview and implore others to watch it. I was surprised. I'd never really listened to him previously and just read the newspapers about him, but for the past few months I've started to realise how much the media has distorted my view of reality and this seems to be another case of it. His arguments were nowhere near what they have been presented as.
 
Damocles said:
Just finished watching it. It's definitely worth a watch.

He covers some primary points:

  • He gives a lot of background to Islamic extremism in Luton, how it rose and how he as a teenager/early 20s felt like nobody was listening when he brought it to the Police, Council and MP.
  • He provides a lot of evidence of this extremism shot before 7/7 bombings, and the rallies that he and his friends attempted to organise. In it he details how the proto-EDL in Luton brought in people from across racial and religious division and were committed to ending racialisation in their town only, as it was somewhat of a base for many recruitment drives and Salafist preachers.
  • He talks about the brick wall of silence from the authorities and how Pakistani Muslim gangs in a certain area of Luton were selling heroin and grooming children, and everybody seemed to know but nobody seemed to be doing anything about it. He compared this to the Rotherham case and detailed some of what he claims is biased Police work.
  • He talks about the problem of the media in terms of labelling, and shows numerous EDL videos where they are burning Nazi flags and getting death threats from the far right Nazis yet still says that during the early 00s when he tried to highlight al-Mujahideen in his city, he was constantly linked to them in the name of anti-racist sentiment. He also admits that there's some crossover there in the later EDL years and how much it annoyed him that because they shared a common foe, they would be at the same places so it was impossible to break the stigma. He makes a big deal about how the Jewish members of the EDL came under constant scrutiny and abuse from those factions.
  • He talks about local and central Government policies that are supposed to help integration are self defeating because they're causing segregation. He also details a meeting he had with Theresa May.
  • Much of it is a microcosm of his life story. In no places does he pretend to be an angel and talks a lot about his time in prison, his crimes and other things. He comes across to me as the type of lad you'd meet at any pub in the land and I'd probably enjoy chatting to him. He has a lack of education in some areas but freely admits this and doesn't try to overreach himself, and he genuinely passionately believes that what he is doing is correct.
  • The last bit before the Q&A he talks about the problems he created for himself in the past with representation. Specifically that he grew up in a town that what heavily conservative Islam and that it tainted his views on what Islam was. Essentially that he's learned much more about Islam now and sees it as an ideology in desperate need of reform but also that not every Muslim is some evil preacher. His goal is to continue working with the moderate Islamic community to eradicate the poisionous Salafist ideology from Britain.
The Q&A can be summed up by a bunch of fucking morons say "yeah, but, you know, you're really a fascist who hates brown people right?". Who are just depressing to listen to after he explained the whole thing.

It's a good interview and implore others to watch it. I was surprised. I'd never really listened to him previously and just read the newspapers about him, but for the past few months I've started to realise how much the media has distorted my view of reality and this seems to be another case of it. His arguments were nowhere near what they have been presented as.
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That is an excellent summary of the video and it also changed my opinion I had of him before watching it.
 
Damocles said:
Just finished watching it. It's definitely worth a watch.

He covers some primary points:

  • He gives a lot of background to Islamic extremism in Luton, how it rose and how he as a teenager/early 20s felt like nobody was listening when he brought it to the Police, Council and MP.
  • He provides a lot of evidence of this extremism shot before 7/7 bombings, and the rallies that he and his friends attempted to organise. In it he details how the proto-EDL in Luton brought in people from across racial and religious division and were committed to ending racialisation in their town only, as it was somewhat of a base for many recruitment drives and Salafist preachers.
  • He talks about the brick wall of silence from the authorities and how Pakistani Muslim gangs in a certain area of Luton were selling heroin and grooming children, and everybody seemed to know but nobody seemed to be doing anything about it. He compared this to the Rotherham case and detailed some of what he claims is biased Police work.
  • He talks about the problem of the media in terms of labelling, and shows numerous EDL videos where they are burning Nazi flags and getting death threats from the far right Nazis yet still says that during the early 00s when he tried to highlight al-Mujahideen in his city, he was constantly linked to them in the name of anti-racist sentiment. He also admits that there's some crossover there in the later EDL years and how much it annoyed him that because they shared a common foe, they would be at the same places so it was impossible to break the stigma. He makes a big deal about how the Jewish members of the EDL came under constant scrutiny and abuse from those factions.
  • He talks about local and central Government policies that are supposed to help integration are self defeating because they're causing segregation. He also details a meeting he had with Theresa May.
  • Much of it is a microcosm of his life story. In no places does he pretend to be an angel and talks a lot about his time in prison, his crimes and other things. He comes across to me as the type of lad you'd meet at any pub in the land and I'd probably enjoy chatting to him. He has a lack of education in some areas but freely admits this and doesn't try to overreach himself, and he genuinely passionately believes that what he is doing is correct.
  • The last bit before the Q&A he talks about the problems he created for himself in the past with representation. Specifically that he grew up in a town that what heavily conservative Islam and that it tainted his views on what Islam was. Essentially that he's learned much more about Islam now and sees it as an ideology in desperate need of reform but also that not every Muslim is some evil preacher. His goal is to continue working with the moderate Islamic community to eradicate the poisionous Salafist ideology from Britain.
The Q&A can be summed up by a bunch of fucking morons say "yeah, but, you know, you're really a fascist who hates brown people right?". Who are just depressing to listen to after he explained the whole thing.

It's a good interview and implore others to watch it. I was surprised. I'd never really listened to him previously and just read the newspapers about him, but for the past few months I've started to realise how much the media has distorted my view of reality and this seems to be another case of it. His arguments were nowhere near what they have been presented as.
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Thanks for that. I'll watch it myself when I have a spare hour.

Although it appears that he has some good points, it doesn't seem particularly relevant to the question of terrorism being a problem. It's more related to how local authorities, police and the justice system appear to be scared of not appearing to be politically correct. Because of this, in some areas the law is not being equally enforced depending on people's skin colour or religion. This understandably causes resentment.

Bringing the discussion back to the problem of terrorism, if we take France as an example where they have laws such as banning burkas and apparently much less tolerance of the sorts of thing that Robinson appears to be talking about, the problem of terrorism is much greater. Having said that, I don't think the two issues are directly connected. The terrorists will always go for soft targets and they don't care about how a target country treats its citizens. All they are interested in is pushing their own very narrow fundamentalist agenda which is at odds with the government of almost every country in the world. Whether certain criminals are prosecuted or tolerated will have absolutely no impact on their choice of target. We have an advantage over France for two reasons. We are an island and it is that much more difficult to get hold of weapons and secondly our secrity services appear to be amongst the best in the world judging by their success in foiling a large number of plots.
 
Damocles said:
Just finished watching it. It's definitely worth a watch.

He covers some primary points:

  • He gives a lot of background to Islamic extremism in Luton, how it rose and how he as a teenager/early 20s felt like nobody was listening when he brought it to the Police, Council and MP.
  • He provides a lot of evidence of this extremism shot before 7/7 bombings, and the rallies that he and his friends attempted to organise. In it he details how the proto-EDL in Luton brought in people from across racial and religious division and were committed to ending racialisation in their town only, as it was somewhat of a base for many recruitment drives and Salafist preachers.
  • He talks about the brick wall of silence from the authorities and how Pakistani Muslim gangs in a certain area of Luton were selling heroin and grooming children, and everybody seemed to know but nobody seemed to be doing anything about it. He compared this to the Rotherham case and detailed some of what he claims is biased Police work.
  • He talks about the problem of the media in terms of labelling, and shows numerous EDL videos where they are burning Nazi flags and getting death threats from the far right Nazis yet still says that during the early 00s when he tried to highlight al-Mujahideen in his city, he was constantly linked to them in the name of anti-racist sentiment. He also admits that there's some crossover there in the later EDL years and how much it annoyed him that because they shared a common foe, they would be at the same places so it was impossible to break the stigma. He makes a big deal about how the Jewish members of the EDL came under constant scrutiny and abuse from those factions.
  • He talks about local and central Government policies that are supposed to help integration are self defeating because they're causing segregation. He also details a meeting he had with Theresa May.
  • Much of it is a microcosm of his life story. In no places does he pretend to be an angel and talks a lot about his time in prison, his crimes and other things. He comes across to me as the type of lad you'd meet at any pub in the land and I'd probably enjoy chatting to him. He has a lack of education in some areas but freely admits this and doesn't try to overreach himself, and he genuinely passionately believes that what he is doing is correct.
  • The last bit before the Q&A he talks about the problems he created for himself in the past with representation. Specifically that he grew up in a town that what heavily conservative Islam and that it tainted his views on what Islam was. Essentially that he's learned much more about Islam now and sees it as an ideology in desperate need of reform but also that not every Muslim is some evil preacher. His goal is to continue working with the moderate Islamic community to eradicate the poisionous Salafist ideology from Britain.
The Q&A can be summed up by a bunch of fucking morons say "yeah, but, you know, you're really a fascist who hates brown people right?". Who are just depressing to listen to after he explained the whole thing.

It's a good interview and implore others to watch it. I was surprised. I'd never really listened to him previously and just read the newspapers about him, but for the past few months I've started to realise how much the media has distorted my view of reality and this seems to be another case of it. His arguments were nowhere near what they have been presented as.
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My opinion of him has certainly changed recently, he has grown up a lot of speaks with facts and figures rather than getting hot headed and angry. There are plenty of videos of him presenting facts to people and asking great questions but they end up struggling and walking off saying "Sorry i dont talk to nazis", its pathetic really that hardly anybody can have a discussion anymore without being labelled a racist or a nazi.
 
I have just watched the video and its disturbing but enlightening at the same time.
 
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