Fair enough, I like souness and think he's pretty knowledgeable and well positioned to comment on most things compared to other pundits. However, I do think that there is an underlying racist undertone to the way black players are reported on in general. For example you don't often hear a white player called a donkey. Certain ways of describing players tends to be reserved for black players like Lukaku, mangala, heskey.
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Onholiday(somemightsay)
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Bit weird how resentful he seems of certain young, black footballers. First Pogba, now this.
I think you might be being a bit harsh on Souness here as I generally find him quite scathing of most players (as and when he finds fault)?
I don't recall the Pogba quotes but I can't say that questioning his mentality (which is what he appears to be doing with Keane) is incorrect from what we have seen of his time at Old Trafford.
I don't know much about Keane but I thought him to be a relatively exciting prospect for Everton to pick him up for not a lot of money but I also queried why Juventus were letting him go.
Is that wrong?
Blue Til Death
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Disagree with you regarding the donkey slur, we've been calling white players donkey for the 50 years I've been going, far more than black players ....Fair enough, I like souness and think he's pretty knowledgeable and well positioned to comment on most things compared to other pundits. However, I do think that there is an underlying racist undertone to the way black players are reported on in general. For example you don't often hear a white player called a donkey. Certain ways of describing players tends to be reserved for black players like Lukaku, mangala, heskey.
Juve’s squad has become so bloated because of their transfer policy that they’ve been forced to sell players that they probably would’ve liked to have kept, such as Keane and Cancelo. They couldn’t find buyers for the likes of Mandzukic, Higuain and Dybala so had to recoup money and reduce the wage bill where they could. I think that, rather than a fictitious attitude problem, was the main reason Keane was allowed to leave.His contract was running out. They needed the money. They might not have thought he was that good? How can you say it's a decent conclusion to draw when there are many possible reasons why they sold him?
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I definitely fall into the category of calling players 'donkeys' , but it's more to do with their size , agility and swiftness of foot, than their colour. Lukaku, Mangala, Heskey are skillful players, they wouldn't be playing at the level they are if they were not, however they are big units and most times turn with the speed of an oil tanker. I would put Phil Jones, Maguire and Luke Shaw in the donkey pen as well ( not that i'm biased ) Harry Kane is also starting to grow big ears and like carrotsFair enough, I like souness and think he's pretty knowledgeable and well positioned to comment on most things compared to other pundits. However, I do think that there is an underlying racist undertone to the way black players are reported on in general. For example you don't often hear a white player called a donkey. Certain ways of describing players tends to be reserved for black players like Lukaku, mangala, heskey.
flook
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Disagree with you regarding the donkey slur, we've been calling white players donkey for the 50 years I've been going, far more than black players ....
To be fair we've had more than our fair share in that time period :)
Onholiday(somemightsay)
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True - Alan Kernaghan was definitely a donkey........Disagree with you regarding the donkey slur, we've been calling white players donkey for the 50 years I've been going, far more than black players ....
everythingchangesbutblue
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Is this for real? he criticizes Pogba(who hasn't) and now muses about why Juve sold Kean and he's a racist? WTF
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Got me thinking who i thought of as a 'donkey ' over the years . Most were defenders
Jim Holton, Ian Ure, Tony Adams, Keown, Cascarino, Gary Sprake , Corrigan( only the early years) Vinnie Jones? Loads more out there
Jim Holton, Ian Ure, Tony Adams, Keown, Cascarino, Gary Sprake , Corrigan( only the early years) Vinnie Jones? Loads more out there
lancs blue
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Niall Quinn used to get the "eeyore" chant from opposing fans when he was at City, I remember the Leeds kop giving it out just before he planted a header into the net at that end. :-)