Theories about how & why the Universe exists

[SWP's back]

Why is a religious question thus not really interesting nor in my domain. Why does F=ma and not F=ma2? I don't know and am not sure if I care, I just know it does.

On the how front, people are making a common mistake here. The Big Bang is the explanation of where the matter and time in the observable Universe came from. The Universe is a different thing.

And there was no before the Big Bang. This is the one thing people can never ever understand because to most the concept is unimaginable. Before is a word we use to denote an order of events in time. Time began at the Big Bang. There is no time before that moment. The very idea that something must happen in an order, that an event needs a cause or a thing need a creator, is a consequence of us being a species that travels through time. If you delete time from the Universe then that whole idea disappears with it.

Think of time as change. There was no change before the Big Bang for any forces to exist. Nothing moved nor had energy nor had electrons or anything else because these things are a measure of change. The first instant of change was the moment of the Big Bang as that is when time started.

The Universe doesn't have to conform to the ideas of what makes sense to some apes on one of the trillions of rocks within it.

there must have been something before the BB, otherwise the ingredients for it wouldnt exist, (if there was nothing then no ingredients to cause it) therefore the BB couldnt have happened.

That's not how it works.

 

[aguero93:20]

Why is a religious question thus not really interesting nor in my domain. Why does F=ma and not F=ma2? I don't know and am not sure if I care, I just know it does.

On the how front, people are making a common mistake here. The Big Bang is the explanation of where the matter and time in the observable Universe came from. The Universe is a different thing.

And there was no before the Big Bang. This is the one thing people can never ever understand because to most the concept is unimaginable. Before is a word we use to denote an order of events in time. Time began at the Big Bang. There is no time before that moment. The very idea that something must happen in an order, that an event needs a cause or a thing need a creator, is a consequence of us being a species that travels through time. If you delete time from the Universe then that whole idea disappears with it.

Think of time as change. There was no change before the Big Bang for any forces to exist. Nothing moved nor had energy nor had electrons or anything else because these things are a measure of change. The first instant of change was the moment of the Big Bang as that is when time started.

The Universe doesn't have to conform to the ideas of what makes sense to some apes on one of the trillions of rocks within it.

there must have been something before the BB, otherwise the ingredients for it wouldnt exist, (if there was nothing then no ingredients to cause it) therefore the BB couldnt have happened.

Nothing observable

 

[Zubrman]

Just to be a fussy sod it is 100k light years across bud, but yeah it is rather large which is your point.

The universe had to cool down crouchie for anything to settle. It was to hot for anything to form at all.
There was just a big hot fog as inflation occurred. This was in planck time, not seconds or minutes.
When inflation slowed, the universe cooled and matter as we know it started to form.

One day the last hydrogen atom will be used and then helium and so on until there is non left.
The stars will fade and an age of darkness will come, all that will be left is the cinders of white dwarfs etc.

...and the Scum will still be playing hoof ball.

 

[Bigga]

Just to be a fussy sod it is 100k light years across bud, but yeah it is rather large which is your point.

The universe had to cool down crouchie for anything to settle. It was to hot for anything to form at all.
There was just a big hot fog as inflation occurred. This was in planck time, not seconds or minutes.
When inflation slowed, the universe cooled and matter as we know it started to form.

One day the last hydrogen atom will be used and then helium and so on until there is non left.
The stars will fade and an age of darkness will come, all that will be left is the cinders of white dwarfs etc.

This.


Plus Crouchino you're not far away from experiencing an infinity of nothingness.

@Bigga without ridiculing these people... The human brain is extremely powerful and often sometimes cannot be trusted to see/sense/obtain the truth. Just because someone feels uneasy at a similar time a relative dies, for example, doesn't make the two connected.

So... When can you 'trust' the brain??

Does the brain HAVE to have something tangible like a sense of smell, sight, touch or taste for it to 'trust' what it engages with? Is this one of those things where if you can test it, it's scientific 'proof'? There's a sense of 'being' we call a 'soul' that transcends all these things, so maybe our brains are not to be 'trusted' with this sense of 'more' than just this physical self.

Is it mere 'coincidence' as I suspect you're suggesting, that my mother who didn't have any contact with her brother for some time due to distance and lack of technology to do so, came into lengthy contact with him in her dreams...??

Well, I believe we all have different 'frequencies' we exist with, on this plane. I think the majority of us 'tap out' of personal frequency because it's easier to root yourself in the present tangible world. I've shared stories of small 'visions' about my personal self, the sense of direction being forced upon me once and many many of us have a strong sense of someone we may not have spoken to, for a long time, suddenly getting into contact later that day or the day after.

None of that is anything to do with the brain playing tricks as it happens far too many times, imo.

It's made me question heavily whether we are 'preordained' already(especially the amount of personal experiences I've had). It's probably why I'm not religious but have respect for their views; have an interest in science but am not convinced of the explanations of existence at the moment; a stance of which allows me to have respect for the views held on both those sides.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

I suggest you all go and watch "Predestination" when it goes on general release.

Confused?
You soon will be!

 

[Damocles]

Why is a religious question thus not really interesting nor in my domain. Why does F=ma and not F=ma2? I don't know and am not sure if I care, I just know it does.

On the how front, people are making a common mistake here. The Big Bang is the explanation of where the matter and time in the observable Universe came from. The Universe is a different thing.

And there was no before the Big Bang. This is the one thing people can never ever understand because to most the concept is unimaginable. Before is a word we use to denote an order of events in time. Time began at the Big Bang. There is no time before that moment. The very idea that something must happen in an order, that an event needs a cause or a thing need a creator, is a consequence of us being a species that travels through time. If you delete time from the Universe then that whole idea disappears with it.

Think of time as change. There was no change before the Big Bang for any forces to exist. Nothing moved nor had energy nor had electrons or anything else because these things are a measure of change. The first instant of change was the moment of the Big Bang as that is when time started.

The Universe doesn't have to conform to the ideas of what makes sense to some apes on one of the trillions of rocks within it.

there must have been something before the BB, otherwise the ingredients for it wouldnt exist, (if there was nothing then no ingredients to cause it) therefore the BB couldnt have happened.

I have already explained why this is incorrect in the post above. There are no ingredients. There was nothing 'before'. There is no need for a 'cause'.

Quantum physics and the logic surrounding it is mind bending, but as I said earlier we are a single species limiited in many ways. Our 'common sense' is an arrogant requirement for accuracy

 

[Bluemoon115]

Why is a religious question thus not really interesting nor in my domain. Why does F=ma and not F=ma2? I don't know and am not sure if I care, I just know it does.

On the how front, people are making a common mistake here. The Big Bang is the explanation of where the matter and time in the observable Universe came from. The Universe is a different thing.

And there was no before the Big Bang. This is the one thing people can never ever understand because to most the concept is unimaginable. Before is a word we use to denote an order of events in time. Time began at the Big Bang. There is no time before that moment. The very idea that something must happen in an order, that an event needs a cause or a thing need a creator, is a consequence of us being a species that travels through time. If you delete time from the Universe then that whole idea disappears with it.

Think of time as change. There was no change before the Big Bang for any forces to exist. Nothing moved nor had energy nor had electrons or anything else because these things are a measure of change. The first instant of change was the moment of the Big Bang as that is when time started.

The Universe doesn't have to conform to the ideas of what makes sense to some apes on one of the trillions of rocks within it.

there must have been something before the BB, otherwise the ingredients for it wouldnt exist, (if there was nothing then no ingredients to cause it) therefore the BB couldnt have happened.

Not true. The universe isn't a cake.

 

[Bill Walker]

Why is a religious question thus not really interesting nor in my domain. Why does F=ma and not F=ma2? I don't know and am not sure if I care, I just know it does.

On the how front, people are making a common mistake here. The Big Bang is the explanation of where the matter and time in the observable Universe came from. The Universe is a different thing.

And there was no before the Big Bang. This is the one thing people can never ever understand because to most the concept is unimaginable. Before is a word we use to denote an order of events in time. Time began at the Big Bang. There is no time before that moment. The very idea that something must happen in an order, that an event needs a cause or a thing need a creator, is a consequence of us being a species that travels through time. If you delete time from the Universe then that whole idea disappears with it.

Think of time as change. There was no change before the Big Bang for any forces to exist. Nothing moved nor had energy nor had electrons or anything else because these things are a measure of change. The first instant of change was the moment of the Big Bang as that is when time started.

The Universe doesn't have to conform to the ideas of what makes sense to some apes on one of the trillions of rocks within it.

there must have been something before the BB, otherwise the ingredients for it wouldnt exist, (if there was nothing then no ingredients to cause it) therefore the BB couldnt have happened.

I have already explained why this is incorrect in the post above. There are no ingredients. There was nothing 'before'. There is no need for a 'cause'.

Quantum physics and the logic surrounding it is mind bending, but as I said earlier we are a single species limiited in many ways. Our 'common sense' is an arrogant requirement for accuracy

ok so you say no ingredients were necessary for the BB to happen (I cant accept that)

and you say "This is the one thing people can never ever understand because to most the concept is unimaginable. "

and yet you cant imagine a being creating it, a being is unimaginable to you?

 

[Damocles]

there must have been something before the BB, otherwise the ingredients for it wouldnt exist, (if there was nothing then no ingredients to cause it) therefore the BB couldnt have happened.

I have already explained why this is incorrect in the post above. There are no ingredients. There was nothing 'before'. There is no need for a 'cause'.

Quantum physics and the logic surrounding it is mind bending, but as I said earlier we are a single species limiited in many ways. Our 'common sense' is an arrogant requirement for accuracy

ok so you say no ingredients were necessary for the BB to happen (I cant accept that)

and you say "This is the one thing people can never ever understand because to most the concept is unimaginable. "

and yet you cant imagine a being creating it, a being is unimaginable to you?

I can imagine it. There's no evidence to support it though and the strands of evidence we have about the very early Universe contradicts much of the logic around it.

There is a very very simple and often used logic chain here to show you why a creator isn't required, in addition to the posts made above:

The Universe was created by a God figure. Who created the God? You accept that the God doesn't need a creator itself so you accept that things came be infinite or appear from nowhere. Apply the same to the Universe.

And as I said earlier, you don't seem to be getting your head around the idea that the only reason something needs a creator is because time flows. If time didn't exist there is no need for a creator.

 

[TCIB]

Here you go crouchinho, this illuminates the future of the existence of the universe as we know it far better than i did.
In fact it is desperately sad in many ways but as Michelle Thaller said "now is the golden age, enjoy it" to paraphrase.
It is only 4min so watch it you lazy buggers.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=royz6sL19Tw[/video]

Link for the music... <a class="postlink" href="http://www.richardblairoliphant.com/documentary/how-the-universe-works-2010-_s-5_id-18069.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.richardblairoliphant.com/doc ... 18069.html</a>

netvideohunter for firefow will download it as other tools.

 

[tonea2003]

Here you go crouchinho, this illuminates the future of the existence of the universe as we know it far better than i did.
In fact it is desperately sad in many ways but as Michelle Thaller said "now is the golden age, enjoy it" to paraphrase.
It is only 4min so watch it you lazy buggers.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=royz6sL19Tw[/video]

Link for the music... <a class="postlink" href="http://www.richardblairoliphant.com/documentary/how-the-universe-works-2010-_s-5_id-18069.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.richardblairoliphant.com/doc ... 18069.html</a>

netvideohunter for firefow will download it as other tools.

very good, not seen that before