Huddersfield v City post match

[cookster]

Glad we've stuck two fingers up at the F.A and got ourselves a home tie in the FA cup :)

Aye, usual bollocks from the media. Maybe if the FArce and PL supported clubs that are still in Europe like other Leagues we might field stronger teams.

 

[franksinatra]

I'll respectfully have to disagree. I think it's almost impossible to have adult conversation about Silva, Aguero, Zaba, Kompany, Hart, etc on Bluemoon. Too many people see them as sacred shrines never to be criticised, only to be worshipped.

Its a forum you have a right too :-).

For me I just look back at Agueros time here and he has always needed a few games to get back to his sharpest and like all players suffers dips in form.

Instead of that being considered a factor people, in my opinion, are to quick to question his character particularly as he has not caused one problem at the club in all the years he has been here.

Kolo and Dzeko were part of the 2012 group too.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

I'll respectfully have to disagree. I think it's almost impossible to have adult conversation about Silva, Aguero, Zaba, Kompany, Hart, etc on Bluemoon. Too many people see them as sacred shrines never to be criticised, only to be worshipped.

Utter, pathetic bollocks.

Silva, Aguero, Hart, Zab and Kompany have taken shit on this forum and most still do on a weekly basis.

An "adult conversation" isn't scapegoating the unfashionable players at every opportunity.

 

[BillyShears]

Utter, pathetic bollocks.

Silva, Aguero, Hart, Zab and Kompany have taken shit on this forum and most still do on a weekly basis.

An "adult conversation" isn't scapegoating the unfashionable players at every opportunity.

I respectfully disagree. When you say those players have "taken shit" i'm presuming what you mean is they have been criticised, which they have. It's the reactions to those criticism, as per your "utter, pathetic bollocks" comment which shows that there's an inability by some to have a grown up conversation about those players when they do perform badly.

 

[CrownPointBlue]

He was decent 2nd half because he tried to be, most of the time wheras he didn't try very hard for most of the first half imo

If only he hadn't got his deckchair back out when Navas put that ball across the six yard box, we'd be through now.

Serge has lost, one, two yards of pace & will either run a lot harder & find a new way to be as good as he was, or go imo.

And if he goes to a top team, he will have to run a lot harder there, to be fully effective.

He isn't quick enough anymore to stroll then sprint.

Kun is barely match fit.

There were three occasions yesterday when we were effectively down to 10 men when he was down on his haunches getting his breath back and this has been happening increasingly for the last 18 months !

He is also getting like Carlitos in deciding who is worthy to receive his passes. He twice blanked Nolito in the second half when an early pass into space would've put Nolito in a good position. Then when Navas put his only cross of the match into the six yard box Kun was 10 yards away.

He has not been in elite condition for 2 years now & he seems to know it,it's affecting his mentality,self esteem & confidence,which in turn is affecting his form & performances.

He's not won the awards his previous performances deserved,dropped by Argentina,questioned by Pep,new kids on the block. There are some big challenges now for Kun for the first time in 6 years. I hope he's got the character,personality & mental strength to rise to the challenge cos we're going to need the 'old' Kun back if we are to win anything this season.

 

[waspish]

Most of our opportunities came through Aguero dropping back picking the ball up and trying to make something happen, I feel Aguero now is in 2 minds when in front of goal pass or should I shoot! For me if he has a chance to shoot he should shoot if not pass it wide and get in the box. He needs to keep it simple.

 

[OB1]

It was a less creative side but still should have been more than enough to create and dictate the game. Most teams in the Premiership play with two holding midfielders in a 4-2-3-1 formation. The failure was Nolito, Fernandiniho, Navas and Aguero. But yes no doubt Silva, Kdb would have helped but you can understand Peps reasoning why they did not play.

Silva and Yaya, in particular, were having well earned rests; however, it remains the case that if you take both of them out of the side our cohesion in possession drops. Leaving the unavailable Gundogan and Nasri aside, Yaya and Silva are still the two best passers of the ball when you take all aspects into account.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

I respectfully disagree. When you say those players have "taken shit" i'm presuming what you mean is they have been criticised, which they have. It's the reactions to those criticism, as per your "utter, pathetic bollocks" comment which shows that there's an inability by some to have a grown up conversation about those players when they do perform badly.

Respectfully, the "utter bollocks" was entirely about your point of view that the players aren't allowed to be criticised. Which, by your own admission, they are. You'll find plenty of examples of people analysing our games and players performances.

Criticism is vital. Aimless finger pointing and lazy cliches aren't.

 

[Mancity1980]

I'll respectfully have to disagree. I think it's almost impossible to have adult conversation about Silva, Aguero, Zaba, Kompany, Hart, etc on Bluemoon. Too many people see them as sacred shrines never to be criticised, only to be worshipped.

Utter, pathetic bollocks.

Silva, Aguero, Hart, Zab and Kompany have taken shit on this forum and most still do on a weekly basis.

An "adult conversation" isn't scapegoating the unfashionable players at every opportunity.

I think the bit about "almost impossible" were badly chosen words. If you remove those words both of you make valid points. Fans of a certain age remember winning nothing for 35 years or not winning a title for 44, so when after numerous false dawns a collection of board/manager/player members work together to smash these monkeys off our backs and rip down that disgraceful banner at the swamp they will forever remain loved city heroes. Nothing will change that and nor should it, so of course it will harder to criticise any of said individuals than say Bravo or Navas for instance. But criticise them we do and we should when performances are not good enough.

 

[BlueAnorak]

I think I'll go for the theory put forward by my Huddersfield supporting mate in that.
1. Huddersfield have " Bigger Fish" to fry and promotion is more important to the club financially.
2. City play Monaco on Tuesday and also had "Bigger Fish"to fry.
3. City actually wanted a draw. A win would possibly have resulted an unwanted Derby game without a fit Jesus.
The result was two second strings delivering the game we saw.

 

[OB1]

I'll respectfully have to disagree. I think it's almost impossible to have adult conversation about Silva, Aguero, Zaba, Kompany, Hart, etc on Bluemoon. Too many people see them as sacred shrines never to be criticised, only to be worshipped.

TBF Billy, Tolm criticised Aguero for having his head down etc - and he does that plenty of times in games - but he had his head up too, they showed one such moment on MotD for instance where he interchanged passes and ended up on the end of a good chance in first half and I distinctly remember him trying to play a through ball into the box, which he over hit and probably should have played wide but his head was up. Again, MotD showed a run and shot, which might be a head down moment but was a justified one imo.

Sergio is unquestionably open to the criticism of trying to do too much himself at times but, and maybe it passed me by yesterday, but I am not convinced yesterday was one of those days. My biggest criticism was that lob he did, right attempt but shite execution and pretty sure he ballsed up a cross but that was poor execution too I think rather than not having his head up.

Not having a dig here BTW; we can't all agree all the time and I do agree it can be difficult to have a conversation about sacred cows.

 

[BillyShears]

Respectfully, the "utter bollocks" was entirely about your point of view that the players aren't allowed to be criticised. Which, by your own admission, they are. You'll find plenty of examples of people analysing our games and players performances.

Criticism is vital. Aimless finger pointing and lazy cliches aren't.

Clearly they can't as you seem incapable of separating honest criticism of a players performance from "Aimless finger pointing and lazy cliches". It's cool though. You crack on. I don't post on here enough to care.

 

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[davymcfc]

Jesus back for the derby, end of April? We can only pray.

Actually that's perfect. I hadn't considered that in what is a very disappointing result and performance.

 

[BillyShears]

TBF Billy, Tolm criticised Aguero for having his head down etc - and he does that plenty of times in games - but he had his head up too, they showed one such moment on MotD for instance where he interchanged passes and ended up on the end of a good chance in first half and I distinctly remember him trying to play a through ball into the box, which he over hit and probably should have played wide but his head was up. Again, MotD showed a run and shot, which might be a head down moment but was a justified one imo.

Sergio is unquestionably open to the criticism of trying to do too much himself at times but, and maybe it passed me by yesterday, but I am not convinced yesterday was one of those days. My biggest criticism was that lob he did, right attempt but shite execution and pretty sure he ballsed up a cross but that was poor execution too I think rather than not having his head up.

Not having a dig here BTW; we can't all agree all the time and I do agree it can be difficult to have a conversation about sacred cows.

I just thought he was poor yesterday. It was a continuation of performances I've seen too often from Kun. I appreciate that he has had a tough time since Pep's come in, but at times the lack of quality and intelligence he shows drives me up the wall.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Completely agree it would have been the perfect opportunity for Garcia, Tosin if fit, as if they are good enough for us they should be able to make a positive impression against Huddersfield.

Diaz, Foden, Sancho it is probably a year or two too early. Personally I hope Pep slowly introduces them into the first team in Premiership games were dominating and then they get exposure in the cup matches
At a later daye. We dominate enough matches during the course of a season to give a youngster 20 minutes here and there to go out and enjoy themselves. Huddersfield in the cup along the second string is a baptism of fire particularly if we got beat and the accompanying criticism which would follow.

It is incredible how often our second string so put in poor performances. The fact they are not match sharp is an excuse to some degree but you think ever so often they would flicker brightly and you would notice a difference between them and the players they face.

You can get away with one or two changes, but when you leave out all of your creativity and pace in one go (KDB, Silva, Ya Ya, Sterling, Sane), it's a recipe for exactly the kind of turgid, one paced performance we got yesterday. Nolito, Navas, Delph, Fernando, none of them is really fit for purpose and as a collective whole they're physically and mentally slow to the point that we were never comfortable against a hustle and bustle Championship reserve team. We need significant upgrades on all 4 of them in the summer and although yesterday wasn't the best day to judge Sergio, given the lack of support, he's looking an increasingly uncomfortable fit in Pep's game plan. He badly, badly needs 2 or 3 goals in the next couple of games

 

[blueinsa]

I just thought he was poor yesterday. It was a continuation of performances I've seen too often from Kun. I appreciate that he has had a tough time since Pep's come in, but at times the lack of quality and intelligence he shows drives me up the wall.

We see football pretty much the same way and i agree re Kun. Look, he is a magnificent goalscorer whose record is there for all to see but his overall game i find often selfish and his passing and ability to bring team mates into the game often sadly lacking.

I wont have a go at him for doing little yesterday because no one did, it was one of those days and performances but and this will sound crazy and churlish, if he isnt contributing by putting the ball in the back of the net, something he has done brilliantly i will add with consistency, he does offer very little else to the team as a whole for me.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

I just thought he was poor yesterday. It was a continuation of performances I've seen too often from Kun. I appreciate that he has had a tough time since Pep's come in, but at times the lack of quality and intelligence he shows drives me up the wall.

I have to agree with you, and I love the guy. After 4 games of watching Jesus, the last two performances from Kun have been nowhere good enough for a player of his calibre. He wasn't helped yesterday by a dismal support cast, but he's trying too hard with the ball (head down) and not hard enough without it. Unless something changes in the next 3 months I'm starting to think the end of an era is looming large. Badly needs a couple of goals

 

[MP71]

Aside from the game, I just want to acknowledge how mint their fans were.
I was with the home fans before, during and after the game with another blue and my terrier mate. We didn't hide our allegiance but were met universally with good humour and respectful banter. Great day out.

 

[schfc6]

I am really looking forward to Jesus develop but as yet he still has it all to prove and as his injury has shown football can be an unpredictable beast.

All this talk of him leaving, showing no effort or desire now you would expect from the media but not blues after all he had done tor the club. A few weeks ago he was a top 3-5 player in the league now some people would not care if he left.

It wasn't Aguero's best game in a City shirt but I can't believe anyone would highlight yesterday as evidence of anything other than someone trying really hard to find form and help a very limited front 5 win the game.