Sturgeon wants another referendum

[sir baconface]

A lot of the above scenarios assume a hard Sexit.

But, as some of us FOCs know, soft Sexit is also a possibility.

 

[smudgedj]

A lot of the above scenarios assume a hard Sexit.

But, as some of us FOCs know, soft Sexit is also a possibility.

Very good!

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but another angle to consider;

Scotland's national security is reliant on the British Military and Security Services (MI5/6). They have No Army/Navy/Air Force of their own as they come under the Crown.
The SNP seem hell bent on pushing for full on political independence, and I'm almost certain they are holding back on the economic independence for now, as they know they are on to a good thing. However, with political independence comes the inevitable break from the Crown, and the ties to the British Military. The best Scotland can hope for is keeping the Scottish Army Regiments, but as for the Air Force bases and RN Ports/Bases, I can see the Military drawing their assets back to England/Wales/NI and return the MOD land to Scotland. Apart from this, their is a large amount of Crown land in Scotland, so who gets that in the divorce?

The SNP seem to want their cake and eat it, but it seems that they think it is acceptable to the rest of us that 8.3% of the UK population living in Scotland will get the say over everything. Hardly fair.

 

[hilts]

In an ideal world the good folk of Scotland who wish to stay in the uk could move south and the left wing socialist cult from england could move north. Build a wall so the fuckers have to stay there and in the future contemplate parcel drops to this 3rd world utopia.

 

[sir baconface]

In an ideal world the good folk of Scotland who wish to stay in the uk could move south and the left wing socialist cult from england could move north. Build a wall so the fuckers have to stay there and in the future contemplate parcel drops to this 3rd world utopia.

A spiffing wheeze. Let's do it.

 

[Pep's Army]

Don't think the UK should be held hostage to Sturgeon

If Scotland wants to leave, let them, they'll become an irrelevant nation like Norway.

 

[stony]

Haha still refusing to answer the questions.


A man of straw.

Magicpole dodges questions like a Scotsman dodges soap. Slippery fucker, and that's without the soap.

 

[Magicpole]

Im not angry about Scotland seeking independence, but like many down here I am sick of hearing about how it's all our fault yet you get so much more than the vast majority of us. Yet still you moan and the snp continually blame us for all your ills. Ayrshire blue said a couple of days ago that you lot got shafted like us in the English regions, I asked him how he thought he was getting shafted these days. No answer ! it's clearly all in your heads!! Admitedly I do get annoyed by magic pole and his ilk as he clearly avoids questions he doesn't want to answer.
That aside no issue with the Scots at all. Just the SNP and their brown shirt bully boys like magicpole.

That aside no issue with the Scots at all. Just the SNP and their brown shirt bully boys like magicpole.[/QUOTE]

Schnell Schnell Ver ar your papers!!!

Have you come across the word hyperbole recently? Every time I read your angst and rage filled posts, full of accusations that's the word that pops right up.

Brown shirt Bully boy?

Well, that's a first. :)

You're disproportional rage amuses me. Are you fuming right now? I hope so.

Nobody is blaming You. We are were we are . We are saying that we think we can do it better and that as the Tories will be in forever, anything is better than that.

You don't think we can do it and actually hope we fail.

Fine, just calm the fuck down a bit and try and avoud calling people nazis.

Oh by the way? Did you vote to leave the EU?

 

[Metal Biker]

Schnell Schnell Ver ar your papers!!!

Have you come across the word hyperbole recently? Every time I read your angst and rage filled posts, full of accusations that's the word that pops right up.

Brown shirt Bully boy?

Well, that's a first. :)

You're disproportional rage amuses me. Are you fuming right now? I hope so.

Nobody is blaming You. We are were we are . We are saying that we think we can do it better and that as the Tories will be in forever, anything is better than that.

You don't think we can do it and actually hope we fail.

Fine, just calm the fuck down a bit and try and avoud calling people nazis.

Oh by the way? Did you vote to leave the EU?

You keep referring to "the Tories" and not Westminster. Are you saying Scottish people wouldn't have a problem with the Union if Labour were in power?

The Tories didn't win the election = the Union is working.
The Tories win the election = we want our independence!

It's all a tad pathetic if that's the case.

 

[mcfc1632]

Just a note, its only in last few years scotland has been receiving more than it puts in. For the vast majority of modern times it has put in more tax per person than UK average.

People complain about City being misrepresented in the media all the time but are happy to peddle stories of half truths if it fits their agenda in exactly the same way.

Its why threads like this or the EU are pointless for discussion. People will stick to their guns at all costs and ends up turning into insults and jibes at each side.

Is that the case with regard to what the average man in the street contributes / feels the burden of - or is that because, in the main, North sea oil and gas revenues are apportioned to Scotland rather than pro-rata across the 4 countries of the UK base on a basis of population?

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

That aside no issue with the Scots at all. Just the SNP and their brown shirt bully boys like magicpole.

Schnell Schnell Ver ar your papers!!!

Have you come across the word hyperbole recently? Every time I read your angst and rage filled posts, full of accusations that's the word that pops right up.

Brown shirt Bully boy?

Well, that's a first. :)

You're disproportional rage amuses me. Are you fuming right now? I hope so.

Nobody is blaming You. We are were we are . We are saying that we think we can do it better and that as the Tories will be in forever, anything is better than that.

You don't think we can do it and actually hope we fail.

Fine, just calm the fuck down a bit and try and avoud calling people nazis.

Oh by the way? Did you vote to leave the EU?[/QUOTE]


I have got your measure, like many others on here have it would seem. You are a man of little or no substance, a hypocrite just full of wind and piss.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

You keep referring to "the Tories" and not Westminster. Are you saying Scottish people wouldn't have a problem with the Union if Labour were in power?

The Tories didn't win the election = the Union is working.
The Tories win the election = we want our independence!

It's all a tad pathetic if that's the case.

People like mp and his ilk have a default position of always blaming someone else for their problems. Its their go to position. Always someone else's fault. No doubt it would be labour if they were in power. The irony is they and their SNP brethren think they are socialists but in reallity they dont want an equal share greed takes over. They are not intelligent enough to realise they already get a very good deal and have the power to make that deal even better. But oh no let's just get the begging bowl out again and blame someone else, playing the victim. Pretty poor stuff really and embarrassing behaviour for all the hard working entirely decent Scottish people.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

I see the wee shouties have adopted the 'fake news' jibe into their sneer campaign at the world toe curling championships.
This is from their economy secretary-

He hit out at the Tories and other Unionist parties, saying: “They’ve been spreading fake news for years about our economy, our resources and the kind of future that we could build if Scotland chose an independent future. “Talking Scotland down is their stock in trade.”

Read more at: http://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...-of-spreading-fake-news-on-indyref2-1-4396659

Would this be the same 'fake news' that kept Scotland from falling into the abyss if the Shouties had one the last referendum?

 

[blueinsa]

Oh by the way? Did you vote to leave the EU?

Yes and you have spent months telling us how wrong we where to do so pmsl

 

[blueinsa]

You keep referring to "the Tories" and not Westminster. Are you saying Scottish people wouldn't have a problem with the Union if Labour were in power?

The Tories didn't win the election = the Union is working.
The Tories win the election = we want our independence!

It's all a tad pathetic if that's the case.

For the vast majority of SNP voters that is the case but for a small few, it goes much deeper than that and frankly its down to outright xenophobia.

I will say it again, Nationalism isnt pretty.

 

[Magicpole]

Yes and you have spent months telling us how wrong we where to do so pmsl

Hopefully we will still be in it. That's the point. If we are out if it, we are equally fucked.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

If you're still in it, how do you propose to trade with your biggest market, the UK?

 

[blueinsa]

Hopefully we will still be in it. That's the point. If we are out if it, we are equally fucked.

But you know, despite the rhetoric that you will not be in it. You also know that had you voted for independence 3 years ago you would not be in it.

The question of EU membership is a complete red herring and this is all about a small hardcore within the SNP party wanting something that suits them politically and they couldn't give a stuff as to the impact on Scotland for years to come because other than independence, they literally have no other ideas.

Scotland was and still is at its heart, a proud, socialist labour supporting country and yes, labour are a complete joke right now but they are the only viable alternative to the Tories and a vote for a Nationalist party is a wasted vote.

 

[blueparrot]

For the vast majority of SNP voters that is the case but for a small few, it goes much deeper than that and frankly its down to outright xenophobia.

I will say it again, Nationalism isnt pretty.

Yet a few voted to leave the eu for those same nationalist reasons, not you, but there is a group o brexiteers I come across every day who voted for a hard brexit and amongst their other conversations is is how much we should cut foreign aid, and how Somalia should sort itself out. How foreigners are over here scrounging yet still managing to steal all the jobs. Every sort of phobia going gets ticked off, they could be Daily Mail headline writers.
Now lets be clear in no way am I saying its a majority or even a large number that voted leave that think like this but it does exist as I'm sure it does with Scottish nationalism. But it's not the whole story, and the only reason some of us may vote yes.
For me the deciding factor and the only reason to vote yes wouldnt be nationalist at all . i would only vote yes if staying integrated in the EU was guaranteed.

 

[stonerblue]

You were never going to know about those until after the deals were made

You miss my point.
May says the Scots cannot have a referendum because they don't know enough details about what they would be voting for. That didn't seem to stop the UK having one.