Ederson Moraes

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just like to say ` i told you so` when it comes to Caballero, and ditto when it comes to Bravo. there got it of my chest
when it comes to this lad he is very good but not as good as hart, or Butland and Butland is bigger and,english with a possible Delph Clichy and Ieanacho leaving it is important and .cheaper
I will not have a problem with this lad but would prefer Butland

Butland's distribution is bang average though, arguably worse than Hart's, and under Pep we are going to have to get used to looking for footballers rather than specialists when it comes to goalkeepers.

This lads shot stopping looks very good though.
 
Butland's distribution is bang average though, arguably worse than Hart's, and under Pep we are going to have to get used to looking for footballers rather than specialists when it comes to goalkeepers.

This lads shot stopping looks very good though.
I do not believe for one second that Hart is at Torino because of his kicking? if it was, Silva would be in net. god knows he might have saved more
 
I do not believe for one second that Hart is at Torino because of his kicking? if it was, Silva would be in net. god knows he might have saved more

Distribution and build-up is everything under Pep and it was Hart's biggest weakness.

I think Pep got rid of Joe because he saw him as a huge character who ran the dressing room and could potentially cause some stir if problems occurred. The same reason as why Pep got rid of Ronaldinho if I remember.

I loved Hart and do think he is a better goalkeeper than Bravo and Willy, but he isn't consistently world class and is capable of making as stupid an error as our current keepers.
 
I think it would be a big, big ask for a goalkeeper to come from Portugal and into the Premier League and be number one for the team challenging for the title. Just about every foreign goalkeeper who comes to England struggles at first with the physicality.

I would prefer if we signed a goalkeeper already playing in England, who knows the league, who knows the demands, and has the quality to step up. Kasper Schmeichel or Jordan Pickford would both be major upgrades on our current pair.
 
Distribution and build-up is everything under Pep and it was Hart's biggest weakness.

I think Pep got rid of Joe because he saw him as a huge character who ran the dressing room and could potentially cause some stir if problems occurred. The same reason as why Pep got rid of Ronaldinho if I remember.

I loved Hart and do think he is a better goalkeeper than Bravo and Willy, but he isn't consistently world class and is capable of making as stupid an error as our current keepers.
ah tolerance and understanding thank you, i am just waiting for pep now , understanding i know he has seen how much the ball is in the air , he has said so . and the tolerance the english game is built on having a rock in goal that the defense is built on
 
Thing is Hart hardly seems to be pulling up trees in Torino. I really rated Hart but week in week out he had issues with distribution and his left side but somehow he's got better every week he's not played for us.
 
Thing is Hart hardly seems to be pulling up trees in Torino. I really rated Hart but week in week out he had issues with distribution and his left side but somehow he's got better every week he's not played for us.

I think Hart's level dropped after our first title. In that first title winning year and in the early CL campaigns he was exceptional but little by little he seemed to be slightly less focussed and more error prone - might be just how I recall it but I don't think Hart has continued to develop as he's gotten older.
 
I think Hart's level dropped after our first title. In that first title winning year and in the early CL campaigns he was exceptional but little by little he seemed to be slightly less focussed and more error prone - might be just how I recall it but I don't think Hart has continued to develop as he's gotten older.
I think you are right about that.
 
Distribution and build-up is everything under Pep and it was Hart's biggest weakness.

I think Pep got rid of Joe because he saw him as a huge character who ran the dressing room and could potentially cause some stir if problems occurred. The same reason as why Pep got rid of Ronaldinho if I remember.

I loved Hart and do think he is a better goalkeeper than Bravo and Willy, but he isn't consistently world class and is capable of making as stupid an error as our current keepers.

Hart got jibbed for giving Pep lip.
 
Agreed.

Hart (and I say this as a fan) definitely had that 'I've already made it' vibe to him and often produced 'distracted' performances, usually only really playing to his full potential in the big CL games.

He had rarely been pushed, for City or England, and I think that has affected how good he could have been. Every time he's had a kick and been dropped, whether for Costel or Willy, he came back and played brilliantly. Then he became comfortable again.

It's a failing in Hart, but I also think successive managers have to take some blame for having a number 2 rather than another number 1 sat on the bench, although it's probably the hardest position to do it for
 
Hope to God this he succeeds with us. Problem with assessments based on being good on the ball is that it sometimes distracts us from assessing a GK properly as it concerns shot stopping. If he doesn't do well in the latter, the former would be of little consequence
 
Hope to God this he succeeds with us. Problem with assessments based on being good on the ball is that it sometimes distracts us from assessing a GK properly as it concerns shot stopping. If he doesn't do well in the latter, the former would be of little consequence

I think the way our defence has been this season, any keeper will have struggled, so for me, a better assessment should be available next season
 
Are you suggesting we scrap pep's philosophy to accommodate Hart - Aint going to happen is it?

As for Hart being able to play the way pep wants - no chance IMO

Great shot stopper, but that is about it with Joe.

no I'm obviously not suggesting that. just that i think hart is a better keeper.
 
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