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mostonbluemark said:
I did say it was a personal opinion and I stand by that. He definitely isn't the player he was last season and Pep does seem to lean towards Jesus as a first choice. Who's right? I'll ask the Doctor eh?
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We arent going to play next season with just three players for 60 games , there are plenty of games for 4 even 5 players, no reason Jesus and Aguero cant' play together. Sanchez would want as many games as Sergio so it comes down to a choice between Aguero or Sanchez different players but I think Sterling, Sane and Jesus offer could offer what Sanchez does Aguero is different to all of them and a better finisher than Sanchez.
I Want to want Sanchez but unless its as a 5 th option, which I dont think is completely out of the question it would still give them all 35 plus games , I dont think hes a huge improvement on what we have.
 
blueparrot said:
We arent going to play next season with just three players for 60 games , there are plenty of games for 4 even 5 players, no reason Jesus and Aguero cant' play together. Sanchez would want as many games as Sergio so it comes down to a choice between Aguero or Sanchez different players but I think Sterling, Sane and Jesus offer could offer what Sanchez does Aguero is different to all of them and a better finisher than Sanchez.
I Want to want Sanchez but unless its as a 5 th option, which I dont think is completely out of the question it would still give them all 35 plus games , I dont think hes a huge improvement on what we have.
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Except Sanchez can play on either wing too, making for additional rotation options. If Aguero plays, he's the striker and that's it.

The problem is only staved off right now because Jesus is injured. At least with Sanchez he can rotate with one of the three and/or switch roles effectively mid-game. We all need to get used to the fact that Kun simply isn't Pep's number 1 choice.
 
mosssideblue said:
Exponentially, give over. I personally don't think it is even better
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Might have been a bit dramatic but i believe those three would get loads of goals. They might not satisfy our "look at the decade of success ahead of us" mindset most of us fans seem to be so over the moon about but it gets us goals.
 
Akiva said:
Except Sanchez can play on either wing too, making for additional rotation options. If Aguero plays, he's the striker and that's it.

The problem is only staved off right now because Jesus is injured. At least with Sanchez he can rotate with one of the three and/or switch roles effectively mid-game. We all need to get used to the fact that Kun simply isn't Pep's number 1 choice.
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I do see that, but Sane, Sterling, Jesus and maybe Roberts can all play wide, Jesus can also play centrally. There will be games when we just need somebody that can play centrally in a packed box Aguero can not sure Sanchez gives that option.
 
I'm struggling with the idea that Sergio is having a disappointing season and isn't the player he was! Thirty goals in a season and not the player you were, when you scored....? Sergio is clearly a remarkable and very special player and I believe Pep's and the club's assertions that they want him to stay. I an only hope they can convince him just how much he is valued and that he stays.
 
Danamy said:
We both want what's best for the club, i just think certain decisions can hold the club back and i feel this could be one of them.

As a business all players are assets and there's no loyalty when it comes to decisions that could slow your business down or prevent you from meeting your goals. Apologies if i upset you by talking about players in that way but it's fact.
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It doesnt upset me, i just think its direspectful and also hypocritcal to say there is no loyalty to these players when certain sections of fan bases cry blue murder if s player is seen as or speaks in a way thst appears disloyal
 
blueparrot said:
I do see that, but Sane, Sterling, Jesus and maybe Roberts can all play wide, Jesus can also play centrally. There will be games when we just need somebody that can play centrally in a packed box Aguero can not sure Sanchez gives that option.
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Sanchez can play centrally in a packed box just fine. 19 goals from a centre-forward position this season.

The importance of flexibility is obvious, but it's hard to argue that Pep values players who can perform at multiple positions perhaps more than most.

Aguero will want to start every game, or close to it. Meanwhile, Pep may prefer Jesus, or Sane, or another choice in the middle. Perhaps Sanchez will have similar demands, but he's perfectly capable of rotating for a player on the wing which is arguably something we desperately need right now too.

Scratch beneath the surface of Sane and Sterling and you find few who can step up and perform on their level. Sanchez is a proven commodity who has consistently performed as among the best in the league for years.
 
The kids are just kids who are going to drift in and out of form,keeping sergio is a no brainer even if we go fro sanchez which i doubt we will
 
karen7 said:
The kids are just kids who are going to drift in and out of form,keeping sergio is a no brainer even if we go fro sanchez which i doubt we will
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Sergio is known to drift in and out of form too.

Though I think you, and others, have the wrong end of the stick. It's not "if we keep Sergio", it's "if Sergio decides to stay".

Nobody in City will advocate cashing in on Kun, arguably the face of the franchise. If the player himself decides to leave, however, it's unthinkable we wouldn't make moves to counter the loss.

It's obvious Pep, for whatever reason, preferred a front three of Sane-Jesus-Sterling. Kun was unhappy at the lack of play time, going out of his way to do interviews to convey that, and he's good enough to start at any club of his choosing. If he stays, great, I don't think anyone but him could complain but I could see him leaving because regardless of getting Sanchez or not, he's not first choice with a healthy, on form Jesus.
 
Akiva said:
Sergio is known to drift in and out of form too.

Though I think you, and others, have the wrong end of the stick. It's not "if we keep Sergio", it's "if Sergio decides to stay".

Nobody in City will advocate cashing in on Kun, arguably the face of the franchise. If the player himself decides to leave, however, it's unthinkable we wouldn't make moves to counter the loss.

It's obvious Pep, for whatever reason, preferred a front three of Sane-Jesus-Sterling. Kun was unhappy at the lack of play time, going out of his way to do interviews to convey that, and he's good enough to start at any club of his choosing. If he stays, great, I don't think anyone but him could complain but I could see him leaving because regardless of getting Sanchez or not, he's not first choice with a healthy, on form Jesus.
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Jesus has played a whole 3 games,pep left the 3 together as he said they did well that week,it's very presumptious to say he will be first choice over sergio,whoever is in form will play so they will both get a lot of game time,this pep thinks this and that is nonsense on the showing of 1 week of a barely 20 yr old kid
 
Let's have a talk with Juventus. Let them have Sanchez, so they can sell Dybala to us.

:)
 
simon23 said:
It doesnt upset me, i just think its direspectful and also hypocritcal to say there is no loyalty to these players when certain sections of fan bases cry blue murder if s player is seen as or speaks in a way thst appears disloyal
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Well, since I am not one of those types of hypocritical fans, I guess I am free to speak.

I think it's sad that this and the Alexis thread have been turned into a referendum on Aguero, and the loyalty to him or lacked thereof.

Wanting Sanchez is not disrespectful to Aguero. Nor is saying Aguero is not the player from years past (btw, I disagree with the prior claim) I actually think he is having a pretty good year. Quite similar to many others he has heard here.

That said, Pep's actions when GJ was healthy were not very favorable to Aguero, and if interest is Sanchez is true, then it stands to reason that Aguero is the likely causality.

This need not be a referendum on whether Aguero is good or performing or not.

Pep moved Deco, Etoo, Ronaldino, Yaya and Ibrahimovic on. All of whom were just as good as Aguero is now at the time Pep moved them on.

And then there is the distinct possibility Aguero will say "fuck this fight for your shirt bullshit, I've got teams on their knees begging for my services. I'm out!" And at that point all these talks will be moot.

In a long winded way all I'm saying to @Pablo1 @aguero93:20 and others is simple: We can disagree on outcomes without all the hostilities :p
 
simon23 said:
It doesnt upset me, i just think its direspectful and also hypocritcal to say there is no loyalty to these players when certain sections of fan bases cry blue murder if s player is seen as or speaks in a way thst appears disloyal
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It's a two way street, there is no loyalty in football, that's the point?

Does your opinion also extend to Yaya, Clichy, Kolarov & Zabba, four others that we're likely to let go in the summer that have been instrumental in our success or is it just Aguero?
 
BJL_City said:
having seen Gomez for Wolfsburg on Wednesday, Pep would have hated him.
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Is not his type of player. The problem with Gomez is that you have to adapt your offense to fit him. He can be world class and score in bundles against every kind of opponent with self confidence - but he is useless without. And that is just too many risk for a top club as you cannot depend on him because of that and it somehow handicaps the others.
 
Danamy said:
It's a two way street, there is no loyalty in football, that's the point?

Does your opinion also extend to Yaya, Clichy, Kolarov & Zabba, four others that we're likely to let go in the summer that have been instrumental in our success or is it just Aguero?
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That loyalty claim gets problematic once you scratch the surface... Suddenly "exceptions" and subject to personal approval" starts rearing its head.
 
Dax777 said:
Well, since I am not one of those types of hypocritical fans, I guess I am free to speak.

I think it's sad that this and the Alexis thread have been turned into a referendum on Aguero, and the loyalty to him or lacked thereof.

Wanting Sanchez is not disrespectful to Aguero. Nor is saying Aguero is not the player from years past (btw, I disagree with the prior claim) I actually think he is having a pretty good year. Quite similar to many others he has heard here.

That said, Pep's actions when GJ was healthy were not very favorable to Aguero, and if interest is Sanchez is true, then it stands to reason that Aguero is the likely causality.

This need not be a referendum on whether Aguero is good or performing or not.

Pep moved Deco, Etoo, Ronaldino, Yaya and Ibrahimovic on. All of whom were just as good as Aguero is now at the time Pep moved them on.

And then there is the distinct possibility Aguero will say "fuck this fight for your shirt bullshit, I've got teams on their knees begging for my services. I'm out!" And at that point all these talks will be moot.

In a long winded way all I'm saying to @Pablo1 @aguero93:20 and others is simple: We can disagree on outcomes without all the hostilities :p
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Indeed, there's also a chance to use his fee to buy a younger up and coming striker that fits our style without breaking the bank, the other outcome is he could stay for another two years and walk for nothing?

All I'm saying is if i had the choice i know what i would do........
 
Danamy said:
It's a two way street, there is no loyalty in football, that's the point?

Does your opinion also extend to Yaya, Clichy, Kolarov & Zabba, four others that we're likely to let go in the summer that have been instrumental in our success or is it just Aguero?
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Ive alrwady pointed out the same for yaya si it goes without saying that it exrends to those players as well .i nearky typed ib my origionsl post asking if you felt that vinnie was merely an asset ....if th 's oosts are anything to go by then the club certainly dont feel that way about him and i dont
 
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