Kylian Mbappe

[richards30]

Jesus is better.

Slightly different players mate but both dynamite! Would love them both

 

[Metalartin]

Would you say the same if we signed Mbappe last summer and were never linked Jesus at all?

I mean, I know you'll say yes but I'd be doubtful.

I'm not sure what I'd think perhaps I would be swayed by the European media hype but I don't say Jesus is better because I'm biased... I say it because I see it with my own eyes who has more going for them and I believe Jesus' ceiling will be higher personally but we are all just guessing no matter how many stats we try and back ourselves up with it doesn't work like that and we all know it.

 

[Dax777]

No but there wouldn't be this level of hype if he wasn't 18 with those stats, you have to admit that so much of the hype stems from the fact that he's advanced for his age.

Perhaps it started that way. Bit what this stat suggets is that he may be advanced for ANY age!

Any player who is the most efficient footballer in a season is well worth his hype. Whether he be 29 or 18. I believe that was Debryun 2 years ago. And he deserved every bit of the hype he got.

Its really a hard accomplishment to score or assist every 60 minutes. So if you do it, folks should sit up and pay attention.

Granted, being one of the best attacking teams in football helps. But Lemar, Falcao, B. Silva, Herman and Dirar also play their and none of them are in the top 10.

And seeing as everyone else in the top ten is over 20 and fully matured, we can't say him looking more matured than an 18 year old gives him an advantage.

 

[Metalartin]

He's advanced for his age because he's absolutely lethal, not because he's physically more developed than anyone, he's a whippet.

As for your comment above "people say they can't believe he's only 18!"...yeah, people are saying that because he's taking champions league teams apart and finishes and makes runs like a 30 year old veteran.

I challenge you to find one piece of punditry or commentary where someone marvels at his size or strength. It doesn't exist.

You're trying to make out like he's a 6'4 15 stones kid playing against u16's.

Lots of strawmen in there and no he isn't taking champions league teams apart on his own... that's complete hyperbole, I'll say it again he wasn't the best player on his own team against us in either leg and he wasn't against BVB either.

 

[Metalartin]

Perhaps it started that way. Bit what this stat suggets is that he may be advanced for ANY age!

Any player who is the most efficient footballer in a season is well worth his hype. Whether he be 29 or 18. I believe that was Debryun 2 years ago. And he deserved every bit of the hype he got.

Its really a hard accomplishment to score or assist every 60 minutes. So if you do it, folks should sit up and pay attention.

Granted, being one of the best attacking teams in football helps. But Lemar, Falcao, B. Silva, Herman and Dirar also play their and none of them are in the top 10.

And seeing as everyone else in the top ten is over 20 and fully matured, we can't say him looking more matured than an 18 year old gives him an advantage.

No my point was exactly that there wouldn't be even half as much fuss over a player having those same stats if not for his age for one season. I mean its the first time I've even hear people using "efficiency" as a stat to compare someone with Messi or Ronaldo or any of the best players in europe.

 

[domalino]

Lots of strawmen in there and no he isn't taking champions league teams apart on his own... that's complete hyperbole, I'll say it again he wasn't the best player on his own team against us in either leg and he wasn't against BVB either.

He was the most dangerous player on the pitch in either game.

If you were in the Etihad and didn't shit yourself every time he got the ball and ran at us, you were quite literally the only one.

To be honest at the moment you come across like one of those people who was saying "Messi couldn't do it on a cold wet tuesday night against Stoke" when he was picking up his third ballon d'or.

He's smashing records, he's putting to shame the records of every top striker in europe today when they were his age, he's scoring a goal per game when he starts, and he's doing this in his first full season of professional football.

Guardiola didn't bid £40m on a teenager with 2 professional games because he was "all hype" or because he was 17.

 

[domalino]

No my point was exactly that there wouldn't be even half as much fuss over a player having those same stats if not for his age for one season. I mean its the first time I've even hear people using "efficiency" as a stat to compare someone with Messi or Ronaldo or any of the best players in europe.

Sorry but...that's bollocks! If a 25 year old scores a goal per game they get massive attention too.

Complaining at the wording of a graph says it all...you're desperately searching for reasons to say he's not good. People love quoting Aguero's record goals per game stat, this is nothing different.

 

[Metalartin]

He was the most dangerous player on the pitch in either game.

If you were in the Etihad and didn't shit yourself every time he got the ball and ran at us, you were quite literally the only one.

To be honest at the moment you come across like one of those people who was saying "Messi couldn't do it on a cold wet tuesday night against Stoke" when he was picking up his third ballon d'or.

He's smashing records, he's putting to shame the records of every top striker in europe today when they were his age, he's scoring a goal per game when he starts, and he's doing this in his first full season of professional football.

Guardiola didn't bid £40m on a teenager with 2 professional games because he was "all hype" or because he was 17.

More strawmen and hyperbole, he was good but he was not the best player on the pitch I'm just going to leave it there because you seem like you want to argue with yourself making up arguments nobody put to you to make reassure yourself everything is set in stone when it's not.

 

[BAB.DAB]

He was the most dangerous player on the pitch in either game.

If you were in the Etihad and didn't shit yourself every time he got the ball and ran at us, you were quite literally the only one.

To be honest at the moment you come across like one of those people who was saying "Messi couldn't do it on a cold wet tuesday night against Stoke" when he was picking up his third ballon d'or.

He's smashing records, he's putting to shame the records of every top striker in europe today when they were his age, he's scoring a goal per game when he starts, and he's doing this in his first full season of professional football.

Guardiola didn't bid £40m on a teenager with 2 professional games because he was "all hype" or because he was 17.

Good post totally agree with you this lad is a special talent who can become world class with the right guidance

 

[Metalartin]

Sorry but...that's bollocks! If a 25 year old scores a goal per game they get massive attention too.

Complaining at the wording of a graph says it all...you're desperately searching for reasons to say he's not good. People love quoting Aguero's record goals per game stat, this is nothing different.

Sorry but bollocks back to you pal, the only desperation is coming from you. I've not slated him at all, I rate him, he will become a top player(any more than that is just getting ahead of yourself) but he should not be our number 1 priority this summer and I'm not having you telling me any different, so fuck the world record transfer fee... we walk away in my book.

 

[IWasHere]

Folks need to calm down, he's not the best player in the world by a long shot yet, nowhere near... the hype mongers on this thread are getting too worked up on this one, it's getting beyond the joke "look at this graph it proves every little bit of hype". He's having a good season in a weak league and he wasn't the best player on the pitch against us in either game, nor against BVB.

Not only is he playing well in a "weak league", he's performing in the champions league too. You mentioned he wasnt the best player on the pitch against us and dortmund yet here he is knocking us out of europe and is on the verge of knocking out Dortmund too.

He's wanted by the big clubs for a reason...

 

[Metalartin]

Not only is he playing well in a "weak league", he's performing in the champions league too. You mentioned he wasnt the best player on the pitch against us and dortmund yet here he is knocking us out of europe and is on the verge of knocking out Dortmund too.

He's wanted by the big clubs for a reason...

He didn't knock us out of europe, Monaco did and there were players who were more instrumental in the way those games panned out. Against BVB he did score 2 very fortunate goals, one was offside and it bounced off him(can't even call that a finish) the other was beautifully dispatched but it came from a horrendous backpass which led directly to a one on one with the keeper.

 

[domalino]

More strawmen and hyperbole, he was good but he was not the best player on the pitch I'm just going to leave it there because you seem like you want to argue with yourself making up arguments nobody put to you to make reassure yourself everything is set in stone when it's not.

Talk of straw men and then use a few yourself...nice!

 

[Tevez City]

Okay just in case folks didn't get the graph. The guy farthest right and at the top is actually the best...

Folks are saying he is doing well because he is dlmore developed than other 18 year-olds. Guys! He is not outperforming 18 year-olds though. He is outperforming everyone in Europe. 18 year-olds and non-18 year-olds.

His "early development" (if one was inclined to concede that point) only explains why he might be outperforming other 18 year olds. But it sure as shit dont explain why he is more efficient than Messi and the rest of the footballing world.

So focusing on whether he looks older than 18 or not (by the way I don't think he does) misses the point in my opinion.

We faced Monaco twice this season and they knocked us out but the good thing is that Pep saw Mbappe twice having an outstanding performance.
If Pep isn't convinced after what he saw in these two games then nothing will .

 

[domalino]

Sorry but bollocks back to you pal, the only desperation is coming from you. I've not slated him at all, I rate him, he will become a top player(any more than that is just getting ahead of yourself) but he should not be our number 1 priority this summer and I'm not having you telling me any different, so fuck the world record transfer fee... we walk away in my book.

No one is talking about him being our number 1 priority, you're the only one bringing that into it.

 

[Metalartin]

Talk of straw men and then use a few yourself...nice!

Eh? It's a strawman to say you keep making weak arguments up that nobody posed to you so you can feel better about your position? Haha whatever anyway the argument is going nowhere, he could end up becoming the best player in the world I admit that but he could also just end up becoming very good, if it were a summer where we had a top young defence in place I'd probably be saying differently about what our top priority should be but this is where we are.

 

[IWasHere]

He didn't knock us out of europe, Monaco did and there were players who were more instrumental in the way those games panned out. Against BVB he did score 2 very fortunate goals, one was offside and it bounced off him(can't even call that a finish) the other was beautifully dispatched but it came from a horrendous backpass which led directly to a one on one with the keeper.

Yeah they did but he played a major part in beating us over 2 legs by scoring the first goal over 2 legs.

As for the Dortmund game, a goals a goal. He was there at the right place at the right time...if he wasn't that tie would've turned out different.

 

[Metalartin]

No one is talking about him being our number 1 priority, you're the only one bringing that into it.

Erm "we HAVE to get him this summer" whilst conceding he would probably cost a world record fee? That seems pretty clear cut to me unless you think we can spend god knows how much in one window and not get fucked over by UEFA again.

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

Mbappe is going to be something special, if it's possible to do then we have to get it done. I reckon pep would like a smaller but much more high quality squad next season. We'll need 5 not 4 top class forwards over a 60 game season. Can see Nolito leaving, Kelechi loaned out, and Navas is Seville bound.

 

[Metalartin]

Yeah they did but he played a major part in beating us over 2 legs by scoring the first goal over 2 legs.

As for the Dortmund game, a goals a goal. He was there at the right place at the right time...if he wasn't that tie would've turned out different.

Yeah I know he was dangerous and looks the business but I was just pointing out some are going over the top with it when you break it down properly, it doesn't mean I didn't recognise his part.