Up until now though they will have thought that they do hold all the cards.I wanted to remain but the things you hear from the EU makes it seem like they will lose nothing if we leave while trying to railroad us with demands.
We are one of the top contributors to the group, are they expecting countries with near 50% of their youth unemployed to increase their share? Doubt they are going to be too happy about that when they struggle to sort their own economies. Are the french / germans going to be happy when they learn they have to pay even more to prop up the rest of the EU to cover the fact we are leaving?
They are trying to create a scenario where they hold all the cards. They can try make things as hard for us as possible to send as message to other countries, it wont affect them as politicians but for the citizens within the EU, they are the ones who will suffer any adverse affects of their demands.
Most people just want to get on with their daily lives, if they find out because their EU politicians wouldn't make a reasonable deal they now pay more tax, their food now costs more or their everyday good has increased in price they wont be sympathetic to accept this just because it was the will of the EU politicians, especially when there was always the option for no change.
Long term it could lead to discontent if they do not consider how any deal affects everyday EU citizens lives.
It's the old saying 'The Sun never sets on the British Empire - Because God doesn't trust the British in the dark'We are a nation of backstabbing scumbags ...just like the yanks.
We were made for this ;)
It's the old saying 'The Sun never sets on the British Empire - Because God doesn't trust the English in the dark'
Opps still hung over. I'll correct it. Should have stuck with coffee and reading lolBritish Empire but doesn't trust the English
Up until now though they will have thought that they do hold all the cards.
The machinations in Westminster, that still continue, will have left them confident that we will never be able to credibly threaten a walk-away - without that option and the balls to consider using it then they could have played us for many years.
That is why they are whinging big time about May calling an election - things could all of a sudden get a bit more real.
Some good posts there 1632. One of my concerns is that the negotiations are going to be conducted by whitehall mandarins and bloody useless civil servants who have little real experience of negotiating anything and will take ages and cost the country millions. Personally I would like May to employ a team of cut throat business leaders to do the negotiation. Give them a remit of what is required and let them get on with it. Head it up with Mike Ashley?? reporting back to the Brexit Sec and PM.
Put Mike Ashley on the job ???????????????????????????????????????? I would genuinely rather have them bring in Trump.............
I wanted to remain but the things you hear from the EU makes it seem like they will lose nothing if we leave while trying to railroad us with demands.
We are one of the top contributors to the group, are they expecting countries with near 50% of their youth unemployed to increase their share? Doubt they are going to be too happy about that when they struggle to sort their own economies. Are the french / germans going to be happy when they learn they have to pay even more to prop up the rest of the EU to cover the fact we are leaving?
They are trying to create a scenario where they hold all the cards. They can try make things as hard for us as possible to send as message to other countries, it wont affect them as politicians but for the citizens within the EU, they are the ones who will suffer any adverse affects of their demands.
Most people just want to get on with their daily lives, if they find out because their EU politicians wouldn't make a reasonable deal they now pay more tax, their food now costs more or their everyday good has increased in price they wont be sympathetic to accept this just because it was the will of the EU politicians, especially when there was always the option for no change.
Long term it could lead to discontent if they do not consider how any deal affects everyday EU citizens lives.
Ashley is just the kind of person we want heading up our side of any negotiations. He is very succesfull and has undoubtely negotiated loads of deals, he wont care if he upsets a few eu autocrats and to be honest we shouldnt be worried about upsetting them. Can you sugest someone better?
yes - politicians and civil servants.
But they mess up nearly every deal they do. They couldnt negotiate their way out of a paper bag. Check put the horrendous contract deals that they signed for the MoD, NHS and rail over the past few years . Billions wasted on piss poor contracts and deals. They are useless. Seriously i run a small sucessful business and could run rings round these people.
.....I am concerned that with the EU having made this 'hardest of hard' negotiating mandates they may not be able to find the compromises necessary for successful win/win negotiations - especially as they have to keep going back for agreements amongst the EU27.
If they are unable to make compromises I can see this ending up with the UK having to introduce the threat of walk-away'
If you think a self serving businessman would be able to deal with political negotiations look across the pond to the hash another self made man is making of entering politics.
It does not and will not work in either way - businessmen or purely Civil Servants
Introduce? "No deal is better than a bad deal" always sounded like a threat.
For all the copious stuff you write, I still don't get why you see one side's negotiating stance as "hard" while the other's is "perfectly reasonable opening gambit looking for compromise".
Keep it short or I probably won't read it.
But your initial position was get rid of the civil servants and put businessmen in to do the job reporting back to govt- now you say it won't work with either. Make your mind up.
No - you are barking (up the wrong tree) - I have not said that - Curchlawtonblue did.
I know exactly how it does and will work.
Bollocks back. It was May who announced we were leaving the single market and the customs union. Don't blame the EU....
Withdrawal from / no access to the Single market!!!!!!! - that is this woman Theresa May being extreme!!!.................
Hmmmm - utter bollocks - it is entirely down to the EU's position. They are the ones being extreme and forcing a Hard-Brexit. They are the ones that insist that that the UK must effectively stay in the EU to have access to the single-market.