Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

[Len Rum]

This question has been answered to death and there is loads of evidence to suggest that leaving the EU will make the poorer better off. But you don't appear to want that.

Loads of evidence eh?
Let's be 'avin you then mate.

 

[Jalfraag]

Loads of evidence eh?
Let's be 'avin you then mate.

There's a few centuries of evidence - if you import labour you drive down wages. Adam Smith wrote about it first.

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

Maybe some ardent remainders version of poor might be not affording to go to oddbins for their wine and having to settle for waitrose.

 

[i kne albert davy]

I really doubt any of the remain voters left holding the fort on this thread have any honest questions left. The EU bureaucrats have turned to name calling and insults today because it isn't going their way, any Brit should be annoyed at the sheer arrogance of the continentals.
Give us money!
No!
We'll teach you.
Yawn

The EUs got used to taking our money so its hardly likely they were ever going to give it up without a struggle.

 

[mcfc1632]

It's not an insult it's an observation of mine about the thread.

Offence is taken not given. If YOU feel that my observation on how this thread has 'devovled' into petty insults and ad hominem attacks references you personally then i'm afraid that's your issue. I'm talking about how the thread has become what it has, not that it's always been that way; you're interpreting the post incorrectly, again another example of what has happened to the thread.

Do I think you're a positive contributor? No, I don't. Sorry. (Positive here having the meaning of providing beneficial information that gives an accurate representation of the proceedings, and not 'pro-Brexit'. It's a shame we all have to clarify everything now because people like to interpret things differently to suit their outrage.) Do I feel I do? No, as I stated I welcome the contributions of those who genuinely try and make sense of the verbal diarrhea that comes out, to explain in laymen's terms what's going on because I myself am not privy to the inner workings of the EU, the gargantuan task of negotating our separation to a successful and satisfactory conclusion. Personally I don't care if the EU becomes worse off as a result, but that's just my view.

If your admitted purpose, or at least one of, is to 'persuade' people then may I be one to state that your tactic of insulting them isn't working and it's reached a point now that even if you did say something credible, few on here would now respect it on that basis because of what you've stated in the past. YOU think the Brexit negotiations are shite because you think Brexit is shite, by your own admittance. To a neutral how are they meant to respect your opinion? You've admitted your bias. And that is the purpose of my previous post; this is not a thread for people to explain or discuss what's going on or the potential ramifications from both viewpoints, it's the pro-EU/Anti-Brexit champions arguing with the pro-Brexit/Anti-EU advocates about whose opinion on brexit is most 'right'.

How is that conductive to informing others about the updates to the proceedings? *Something happens* "Oh this is terrible, this proves Brexit's a disaster, blood on your hands for the next generation!" "No this is great news, proves the EU was out to get us all along, things can only get better!"

Four. Hundred. Pages of this shit.

Again - very well said.

I admire your calm in the face of the determination of the usual suspects to seek to prevent discussion on the actual negotiations - the intended scope of this thread - due to their being unable to tolerate any view that the decision to leave has been made and will/should be implemented.

The thread title has been changed a couple of times to try and achieve a forward focus only for the usual suspects to prevent that with their continuous stream of, IMO, inane ramblings that simply demonstrate denial and an inability to 'let go'.

 

[i kne albert davy]

I am still waiting for a reply to my question -
What were the remain lies as opposed to the leave lies?
Someone must know.

Most of us were killed or wounded in the Great War of 2016/17.

 

[Len Rum]

There's a few centuries of evidence - if you import labour you drive down wages. Adam Smith wrote about it first.

Thank you.
We are at 'full employment'
Like to expand.

 

[BobKowalski]

Again - very well said.

I admire your calm in the face of the determination of the usual suspects to seek to prevent discussion on the actual negotiations - the intended scope of this thread - due to their being unable to tolerate any view that the decision to leave has been made and will/should be implemented.

The thread title has been changed a couple of times to try and achieve a forward focus only for the usual suspects to prevent that with their continuous stream of, IMO, inane ramblings that simply demonstrate denial and an inability to 'let go'.

So how are the negotiations going?

 

[i kne albert davy]

Thank you.
We are at 'full employment'
Like to expand.

Full employment usually means decent wage increases care to explain.

 

[Len Rum]

Most of us we're killed or wounded in the Great War of 2016/17.

'were' not 'we're'.
Thank you.

 

[Len Rum]

Full employment usually means decent wage increases care to explain.

No I want leavers to do some explaining for a change.
Thank you.

 

[Jalfraag]

Thank you.
We are at 'full employment'
Like to expand.

Clearly you do not understand economics.

 

[Metal Biker]

Again - very well said.

I admire your calm in the face of the determination of the usual suspects to seek to prevent discussion on the actual negotiations - the intended scope of this thread - due to their being unable to tolerate any view that the decision to leave has been made and will/should be implemented.

The thread title has been changed a couple of times to try and achieve a forward focus only for the usual suspects to prevent that with their continuous stream of, IMO, inane ramblings that simply demonstrate denial and an inability to 'let go'.

Personally I think the mods have given up on this thread and are just letting it run its course. I'm a believer of the adage "if something sounds too good to be true, it probably is" so when I hear that Brexit negotiations are going really well, i'd like to hear the opposing view, maybe bringing in a sense of reality we leavers might not have considered, yet all we ever get is "it's another example of how brexit was a mistake, we should have another vote to get back in, stupid brexiteers have doomed us all etc, etc". It's not informative, it's derogatory.

I'm just watching it all play out and develop; my vote was on the basis I don't wish to be a part of a political union. Money matters, migration, travelling to Europe, doesn't affect me. But he upcoming rules and stipulations for member states, the rhetoric in the past from Barroso, Von Rumpuy, Junkcer and now Barnier? I get that some people want the European Superstate, I do not. But although I accept they have the right to want it I don't also call them idiotic or prejudiced against others for doing so, unlike how we've seen aimed at leave voters on here by some. I don't get why some continue to persist in ensuring we are all aware of their objection to the brexit proceedings; if they continue to insult others for holding their opinions, how can they expect others to respect theirs? Makes no sense to me; whatever happened to "if you've nothing nice to say, better to say nothing at all"?

 

[Len Rum]

Clearly you do not understand economics.

Nor do you.
Care to expand.

 

[Jalfraag]

Nor do you.
Care to expand.

Manchester University thinks I do but you do not. Full employment means nothing when you are unable to earn a decent wage due to the import of labour.
You should try a bit harder because you seem out of your depth.

 

[i kne albert davy]

'were' not 'we're'.
Thank you.

I've put that right now.
Thank you

 

[blueinsa]

Personally I think the mods have given up on this thread and are just letting it run its course.

Just about sums it up im afraid.

We will respond to reported posts but beyond that, it's become a no go zone i'm afraid as it is literally 456 pages of shite with very little of anyone actually trying to discuss the way forwards for our country.

Apologies there is no funny meme of gif to go with that message.........