General Election June 8th

[Len Rum]

I'd vote Tory if they came out on the campaign trail saying "we're going to fuck you over". That's how low my trust in labour is.

Onwards and upwards with Maggette.

Sad.
Very sad Jeff.

 

[SWP's back]

Its funny how some on here deride the left regardless of what corbyn promises then accuse others of being brainwashed!

Pretty sure that's a one way street and that it's aimed at those on the right.

Just shows you'll only see what you want to see I guess.

 

[mcfc1632]

Has may met any real people yet? Maybe to explain why she has adopted a labour policy which she was against a few years ago. The daily mail crew wont worry of course, its tory at any cost as bill states. Its funny how some on here deride the left regardless of what corbyn promises then accuse others of being brainwashed!

I am probably in a small minority - but I see this as a positive thing - whether it is being done by the Tories of the Labour Party

In politics everything seems to be stupidly 'tribal'.

Surely it is only sensible that both parties - indeed any party really - must bring forward good / useful policies and ideas? Why on earth should they be considered out of bounds and dirty just because of a 'not made here' attitude? Sounds a bit childish to me.

I am not specifically thinking about the merits of this specific policy - I really mean in general.

I also probably have a different view to most on where May is going with this GE and in general.

Yes - of course I agree that it is just too good an opportunity to miss etc. - yes she need the extra time 5 years from now provides and the mandate for negotiations

But in the same way that Corbyn is dragging Labour to the left - and fair play to him - I think that May is going to drag the Tories into the centre ground and steal all that ground - I think that she could be in power for a good while.

 

[CityStu]

I am probably in a small minority - but I see this as a positive thing - whether it is being done by the Tories of the Labour Party

In politics everything seems to be stupidly 'tribal'.

Surely it is only sensible that both parties - indeed any party really - must bring forward good / useful policies and ideas? Why on earth should they be considered out of bounds and dirty just because of a 'not made here' attitude? Sounds a bit childish to me.

I am not specifically thinking about the merits of this specific policy - I really mean in general.

I also probably have a different view to most on where May is going with this GE and in general.

Yes - of course I agree that it is just too good an opportunity to miss etc. - yes she need the extra time 5 years from now provides and the mandate for negotiations

But in the same way that Corbyn is dragging Labour to the left - and fair play to him - I think that May is going to drag the Tories into the centre ground and steal all that ground - I think that she could be in power for a good while.

I disagree. I think that May is going to go as right of centre as possible whilst remaining more central than Labour to the average voter, in order to completely cement the UKIP vote. IMO, the Labour party needs to split to provide a real centrist option. That said, most of the New Labour MPs are very pro Europe, so they'd probably feel quite at home with the Lib Dems.

On another note, it's astounding how many of UKIP's 2015 manifesto ideas are now being promoted by at least one major party. Leaving the EU, grammar schools, more front line police, etc.

 

[inchy14]

Has may met any real people yet? Maybe to explain why she has adopted a labour policy which she was against a few years ago. The daily mail crew wont worry of course, its tory at any cost as bill states. Its funny how some on here deride the left regardless of what corbyn promises then accuse others of being brainwashed!

Have you thought of just changing your user name to......

'I hate Tories '

It would save you typing the same stuff over and over in any thread like this. Save you hours of time.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Bbc1 , may and Hubby on the one show sofa together.

Trying to be natural.....

 

[MaineDAWG2008]

This thread has reached 168 plus pages....

Bottom line is....

NOTA
none of the above.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

History repeating itself!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...erate-labour-mps-form-breakaway-group-jeremy/

It's like the 1980's without the shoulder pads.

 

[Vic]

• "yes the rich pay more direct tax, but when you factor inderect tax it is the poorest in society who ultimately pay more in ratio to pay and cost of living"

That's the heart of it. Proportionate to income, you pay less tax as you get richer.

Yet "the politics of envy" is thrown at those who challenge the rich paying themselves more. Remarkably, the right wing media have managed to create a politics of envy where people on middle income ("hardworking families") are supposed to envy the poor on benefits.

Part of Brexit as well, envying the bail outs for Greece and not seeing that if net gainer countries improve their economies because of EU investment they move to net contributors and more people find employment at home and don't come here for jobs (and pay taxes).

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

• "yes the rich pay more direct tax, but when you factor inderect tax it is the poorest in society who ultimately pay more in ratio to pay and cost of living"

That's the heart of it. Proportionate to income, you pay less tax as you get richer.

Yet "the politics of envy" is thrown at those who challenge the rich paying themselves more. Remarkably, the right wing media have managed to create a politics of envy where people on middle income ("hardworking families") are supposed to envy the poor on benefits.

Part of Brexit as well, envying the bail outs for Greece and not seeing that if net gainer countries improve their economies because of EU investment they move to net contributors and more people find employment at home and don't come here for jobs (and pay taxes).

The more you earn the higher rate of tax proportionately you will pay in percentage terms out of your salary and the more actual tax you will pay in £ notes.

As for indirect tax the ratio is entirely the same whether rich or poor. It's not less. It's not less it's 20 percent of whatever you spend on vatable goods. In actual monetary terms assume you would accept that those who will be spending more will be those who have more money so in monetary terms again the rich pay more indirect tax in £ notes terms.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Part of Brexit as well, envying the bail outs for Greece and not seeing that if net gainer countries improve their economies because of EU investment they move to net contributors and more people find employment at home and don't come here for jobs (and pay taxes).

Greece has been a member of the EU for 36 years, just when do you envisage them not only becoming contributors,
but repaying the billions that the UK and Europe has had to lavish upon them? When is Poland, now that millions of its'
workers have decamped, mostly to here, but also around Germany etc; ever going to become a contributor?
In fact, many members don't look like becoming contributors anytime soon, in fact their economies, in common with the
majority are in decline.
Which is another reason we're coming out.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Greece has been a member of the EU for 36 years, just when do you envisage them not only becoming contributors,
but repaying the billions that the UK and Europe has had to lavish upon them? When is Poland, now that millions of its'
workers have decamped, mostly to here, but also around Germany etc; ever going to become a contributor?
In fact, many members don't look like becoming contributors anytime soon, in fact their economies, in common with the
majority are in decline.
Which is another reason we're coming out.

Although London might ask exactly the same question about the rest of the UK.

 

[mcfc1632]

Greece has been a member of the EU for 36 years, just when do you envisage them not only becoming contributors,
but repaying the billions that the UK and Europe has had to lavish upon them? When is Poland, now that millions of its'
workers have decamped, mostly to here, but also around Germany etc; ever going to become a contributor?
In fact, many members don't look like becoming contributors anytime soon, in fact their economies, in common with the
majority are in decline.
Which is another reason we're coming out.

Greece has long-standing cultural issues which see the collection of taxes from many people not being done effectively - money could be poured in for decades more - good money after bad

Poland has had £250bn since joining - they will not be a contributor any time long

Ireland have just become a contributor after 40 years of being a beneficiary - now the gravy has finished there is talk of leaving the EU

We need to be out

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Although London might ask exactly the same question about the rest of the UK.

And I could ask why the idle scrotes around the corner haven't worked for years.
If we're breaking it down to lowest common denominators, a good start is removing from the EU.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

Just seen a bit of last night's One Show, never trust a woman who is married to a shit Woody Allen impersonater.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

I imagine there are a few on here rather upset at the news that "No Tory politicians or officials will face criminal charges over alleged electoral expenses fraud, the Crown Prosecution Service has said, with one case remaining under consideration. "

Ah well, I'm sure they can come up with something else to be outraged about.

 

[mcfc1632]

I imagine there are a few on here rather upset at the news that "No Tory politicians or officials will face criminal charges over alleged electoral expenses fraud, the Crown Prosecution Service has said, with one case remaining under consideration. "

Ah well, I'm sure they can come up with something else to be outraged about.

I was just about to post that - there as been some right drama on here - surely this is the main reason that May called the election!!!!

You are right there will be something else to get totally OTT about - perhaps the CPS and police are 'in on it'

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

And as if by magic.http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threads/cps-take-no-action-re-electoral-tory-cheating-who-knew.328334/#post-10186071 Silly me, it is by magic

 

[Damocles]

It would need by-election as when they are found guilty, they will in time, be in jail. This then sees the tories lose their majority as things stand.
I think you mean June 2017 and will answer with that in mind. She is lying plain and simple. The rest is waffle from her, pure and simple.She has a mandate to continue, nobody has stopped the process for Brexit. There was a point of clarification required as she did understand the process and the judges gave her the clarification. There was still no opposition to the process of Brexit.
No it does not blow away the points made, they will remain. The reason she has done is because she knows a certain number (i think it is 40 although @30 seems to be suggested the most often) will be carted away and be spending time behind bars. She has to move now, this is thing thing that is large enough for her to u turn, again. Those carted will just confirm the corrupt party is corrupt. She has had a strong lead in the polls for a long time and ruled out a snap election. It is this fraud that is the thing that is sufficient for a change in heart. Now, if, she does get an increased number of seats and she is very confident she will, then she will have the extra seats and the majority to be perceived as to have soften the blow and get away with it.
No matter what happens, they will be known for being caught cheating. She is just hoping now she will have a larger majority to deal with fraudulent activities that broke the strict rules rather than doing nothing, with MP's jailed and just a 17 seat majority.

Haha haha

 

[Cheesy]

I imagine there are a few on here rather upset at the news that "No Tory politicians or officials will face criminal charges over alleged electoral expenses fraud, the Crown Prosecution Service has said, with one case remaining under consideration. "

Ah well, I'm sure they can come up with something else to be outraged about.

You fool! Can you not see that the CPS have been influenced by the right wing media???