General Election June 8th

[The perfect fumble]

Fuck me - that was a hard read.

I had to take quite a few breaks and come back to it.

Well done! There's a lot of long words in it.

 

[City Raider]

Labour will just ruin the economy, they always end up spending more than the country can afford and this bunch of idealists will take that to a whole new level if they got in. Endless spending pledges on the NHS education and transport all funded by a mansion tax and corporation tax hike. People just arent that gullible.

and debt hasn't risen under the tories? their economic records are both as bad as each other

 

[urban genie]

Labour will just ruin the economy, they always end up spending more than the country can afford and this bunch of idealists will take that to a whole new level if they got in. Endless spending pledges on the NHS education and transport all funded by a mansion tax and corporation tax hike. People just arent that gullible.

This tory government have spent more and racked up more debt than any previous labour government, we have a stagnant economy, a drop in living standards and insuficient infrastructure.
7th richest economy claiming poverty is ridiculous.


Properly designed infrastructure investment will reduce rather than increase government debt burdens. Public infrastructure investments can pay for themselves, even the IMF that has for years advocated austerity is now acknowledging this.

This labour manifesto lends a lot to a Keynesian economics and many will say that model ultimately failed.

But I like the renationalisation of the rail and mail network,
The set up of a national energy company (while keeping the private ones so choice is still there),
Having control over our national grid,
The pledge to look after our disabled veterans with affordable, energy efficient home upgrades.
Having regional national banks to help local business.
Making it a requirement that large scale business properly suppport amall business.
Comitement to spend on defence in line with nato and keep trident, while pledging that our army will be for defence and only sent abroad when other options are exhausted.
Creation of a minister for England
Protect our bee population.
Have an imigration policy that only allows those with skills needed here and who have a guaranteed job in, while protecting those EU citizens already here and asking that british migratns in the EU are given the same rights and protection on the continent.
Oppose a second Scottish referendum.
Lower the voting age to 16.
Employ 1,000 more border guards

All the other stuff on housing, rents, NHS have been stated already.

Even if you don't agree with labour or it's ideals and find all this wrong, at least, at last the peole are being given a choice of different outlooks for our country, from tory, labour, lib dem, greens and ukip, rather than the first 3 copying each other and sounding similar, while the other 2 propose their own ideas also as always.

Expect it's gonna be all , it's pie in the sky, back to the 70's blah blah blah for the next few pages, but I like the idea that instead of telling us it's all shit, get used to it, but at least were plodding along, why not have hope instead for once.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

and debt hasn't risen under the tories? their economic records are both as bad as each other

Utter nonsense. The deficit has fallen. To say their records are as bad as each other shows your lack knowledge on the subject.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

This tory government have spent more and racked up more debt than any previous labour government, we have a stagnant economy, a drop in living standards and insuficient infrastructure.
7th richest economy claiming poverty is ridiculous.


Properly designed infrastructure investment will reduce rather than increase government debt burdens. Public infrastructure investments can pay for themselves, even the IMF that has for years advocated austerity is now acknowledging this.

This labour manifesto lends a lot to a Keynesian economics and many will say that model ultimately failed.

But I like the renationalisation of the rail and mail network,
The set up of a national energy company (while keeping the private ones so choice is still there),
Having control over our national grid,
The pledge to look after our disabled veterans with affordable, energy efficient home upgrades.
Having regional national banks to help local business.
Making it a requirement that large scale business properly suppport amall business.
Comitement to spend on defence in line with nato and keep trident, while pledging that our army will be for defence and only sent abroad when other options are exhausted.
Creation of a minister for England
Protect our bee population.
Have an imigration policy that only allows those with skills needed here and who have a guaranteed job in, while protecting those EU citizens already here and asking that british migratns in the EU are given the same rights and protection on the continent.
Oppose a second Scottish referendum.
Lower the voting age to 16.
Employ 1,000 more border guards

All the other stuff on housing, rents, NHS have been stated already.

Even if you don't agree with labour or it's ideals and find all this wrong, at least, at last the peole are being given a choice of different outlooks for our country, from tory, labour, lib dem, greens and ukip, rather than the first 3 copying each other and sounding similar, while the other 2 propose their own ideas also as always.

Expect it's gonna be all , it's pie in the sky, back to the 70's blah blah blah for the next few pages, but I like the idea that instead of telling us it's all shit, get used to it, but at least were plodding along, why not have hope instead for once.

But we dont have a stagnant economy. Gdp is rising unemployment falling and investment increasing.

The last Labour government cut corporation tax for big business while putting it up for small business. I know as i run a small bisiness. They also abololished the 10k level on profit where a small buisness paid no corp tax.

They massively expanded privatisation in the NHS through pfi building schemes whch have sadleled many nhs trusts with spiralling huge debts they cant sustain. This was something that was initially opposed by labour when proposed by John Majors Government in the 90s. But when they came to power they expanded it.

I like some of the things this labour opposition are sugesting like scrapping tuition fees and nationalising railways and utility companies which have always been just monopolys with no real competitive markets but im affraid they have just not been funded correctly. I believe the country should try and balance the books. Only spend what it earns. Thats how we run our household and that makes sense to me. Add to the small fact that the last labour government got us involved in two illegal wars which i will never forgive them for and i find it hard to comprehend ever voting labour again.

All that said i will not be voting Tory this time either as they have cut funding to my daughters school despite promising not to. Tuition fees is a total disaster the scale of the fees are totally dissproportinate to the tuition you receive . My eldest does history at sheffield and has 11hrs of tuition a week and still has 9k of fees compred to someone on a science degree who has 30hrs. The means testing is also shameful, if I as a parent are deemed to be able to support 1 child thru uni then i am deemed to be just as able to support 3 or more, there is no sliding scale. Even the loan she gets as a student is means tested ie she doesnt get as much. We are not a wealthy family but these extra taxes, as that is what they are, weigh heavilly on our family finances. And dont get me started on the inequalities of devolution that have resulted in me living in northern England and getting less funding than anywhere else on the uk. My local mp is a tory, Fiona Bruce I will be emailing her to tell her why I will not be voting for her this election for a number of the reasons explained above. But labour I feel would be disasterous for our econmomy so clearly I wont be voting for them either. In reality I am very disilusioned with politics in this country.

 

[SWP's back]

Fuck me - that was a hard read.

I had to take quite a few breaks and come back to it.

Are you also an exponent of Sungazing?? You know - "...............something that is sometimes done as part of a spiritual or religious practice.............", but can be ever so damaging?

that was a fucking really - I mean really - hard read and frankly - speaks a lot about you if, as you say:

"I came across this and loved it....."

Oh mate - come out of the bedroom and get a life - I am sure that there are a number of us on here that would agree to sign up to some form of 'save the fumble pledge' - where we could sacrifice our personal time to take it turns to take you out and look after you.

I will put myself down for 2 days next season - only when CITY are playing at home mind - I am sure that there are enough on here to volunteer - with or without a carers allowance to get you through the year

Well put sir.

 

[SWP's back]

their economic records are both as bad as each other

That's not true.

 

[urban genie]

But we dont have a stagnant economy. Gdp is rising unemployment falling and investment increasing.

By all recent accounts (last month or so) GDP has slowed as inflation has hit, property values have stagnated so far this year thanks to a decline in job creation and a squeeze on household finances with inflation increasing.
Wages are going nowhere at present while the cost of living is rising.
Unemployment figures are a fudge, I know that in my work in higher and further education, we supply the courses to the unemployed sent by the job centre and while on the course they are reclasified on the unemployment records as studying even though they are still unemployed, we have 60-100 at any time, times that by the whole country and there is a lot of unemployed purposely omitted from official figures on a technicality.
If it wasn't for consumer spending the economy would be faltering.

Surely you like the idea as a small business of the regional investment banks, and protection from large companies taking the piss out of small.

I can understand why labour lost you after how they acted in the end when in power, but this manifesto and the ideas put forward vary a lot from that.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Well put sir.

You two should get a room. Then leave without paying.

 

[The perfect fumble]

That's not true.

You're right. Harold Wilson brought us the mini skirt and the World Cup.

 

[SWP's back]

You two should get a room. Then leave without paying.

Reported for encouraging illegal activities.

One in your country and two in mine.

 

[dennishasdoneit]

I came across this and loved it and I thought I'd share with all the Tory lickspittles....

In May's world of extremist right wing myopia, moral bankruptcy, cognitive dissonance, stereotypes, hack clichés and intellectual mediocrity; her mendacity replaces truth and is made real - bankers are maligned victims not responsible for the "crash", and like the tory party are really benign philanthropists above self interest and duplicity, who are working for the benefit of the country. Corbyn's labour party wants to steal their "magic money tree," - which the tories stole from the people(along with the public assets) of this country, to give to their corporate pimps anyway.

Corbyn's Labour party is "left wing?!!" Who are responsible for the global economic recession, a stalking horse for Marxism, dupes of the unions and middle-class Islington lefties. Public sector workers are a fifth column with gold plated pensions who receive billions in bonuses, unlike bankers and corporate whores, who live in penury because they are overburdened with regulations, taxation, er!! When they choose to pay it. The NHS wants to kill you and private health care wants to cure you - money is a mere incidental, as long as you have it. The (castrated)unions are conspiratorial red masons who control the labour party and wish to bring about the destruction of our capitalist utopia. Modelling herself on Goebbels and the Mother of Christ, May is a much maligned compassionate mother of the nation blasphemed against by the left.

Exploitation by the tories, finance, business, landlords, is freedom(socialism for the rich): a more equitable society, well resourced universal NHS, welfare, education, public services, jobs with a living wage/employment rights and decent conditions is slavery.

Facts and statistics are flexible, 'Doublethink' is de rigueur, 'Newspeak' the official language with Murdoch the Daily Mail its loudest most vociferous voices and now the Guardian. '1984' is seen as an operating manual by the tories rather than a critique. The disabled, poor, sick, unemployed, the low paid are unproductive parasites, surplus to requirements in a world divided between "scroungers and strivers." Western Europe, the EU and particularly France(the perfidious Johnny foreigner) is a hotbed of indolent communists who are jealous of our neo liberal paradise.

The tories are nothing more than verminous, parasitic, sociopathic trash. Reductive whores of Social Darwinist, voodoo economics, who wish to reduce every aspect of humanity to mere units of production, they despise ordinary people and see their only value, as an entry in a profit and loss account, to be exploited by the human garbage that this sub-strata of humanity are, and the workhouse capitalism they serve.

There exists for right wing tory dupes a neo-liberal dystopian holy grail; a kind of Somalia with fish and chips, vindaloo, obesity and better drainage; ruled by neo liberal tory warlords, Blairite kapos, Ayn Rand inspired gangsters, funded by London stock exchange parasites, with UKIP as the Sturm Abteilung (SA). Remember the fascist war cry as they went into battle against Republican troops during the Spanish Civil War? "Death to the intellect! Long live death!". How appropriate?!! Maybe May could work that into a revised tory version of 'Land of Hope and Glory.'

Banging post.well done Sir!

 

[The perfect fumble]

Reported for encouraging illegal activities.

One in your country and two in mine.

You shouldn't encourage mcfc1632, he's Corporal Jones to your Captain Mainwaring (albeit played by you in the manner of Dr. Evil).

 

[Blue Maverick]

Utter nonsense. The deficit has fallen. To say their records are as bad as each other shows your lack knowledge on the subject.

I think he means the the national debt, is now something like £1.5 trillion, double when the came to power, the deficit has gone down but the debt is double.

 

[CityStu]

I think he means the the national debt, is now something like £1.5 trillion, double when the came to power, the deficit has gone down but the debt is double.

The debt will always increase whilst we have a deficit (excluding selling off assets). We will always have a deficit whilst we spend more than we bring in.

 

[blue cigar]

The number of children now defined as living in poverty in this country is up at 3.9 million. Its not all about how much tax we pay and financial measures for some of us. Strong and stable...

 

[Ancient Citizen]

The number of children now defined as living in poverty in this country is up at 3.9 million. Its not all about how much tax we pay and financial measures for some of us. Strong and stable...

I know, you can't walk the streets without hundreds of grime encrusted skeletal starvelings clutching at your
trouser legs begging for sustenance.
Definitions of 'poverty' are now beyond parody.

 

[CityStu]

The number of children now defined as living in poverty in this country is up at 3.9 million. Its not all about how much tax we pay and financial measures for some of us. Strong and stable...

How are you defining poverty here?

 

[xgorton]

I came across this and loved it and I thought I'd share with all the Tory lickspittles....

In May's world of extremist right wing myopia, moral bankruptcy, cognitive dissonance, stereotypes, hack clichés and intellectual mediocrity; her mendacity replaces truth and is made real - bankers are maligned victims not responsible for the "crash", and like the tory party are really benign philanthropists above self interest and duplicity, who are working for the benefit of the country. Corbyn's labour party wants to steal their "magic money tree," - which the tories stole from the people(along with the public assets) of this country, to give to their corporate pimps anyway.

Corbyn's Labour party is "left wing?!!" Who are responsible for the global economic recession, a stalking horse for Marxism, dupes of the unions and middle-class Islington lefties. Public sector workers are a fifth column with gold plated pensions who receive billions in bonuses, unlike bankers and corporate whores, who live in penury because they are overburdened with regulations, taxation, er!! When they choose to pay it. The NHS wants to kill you and private health care wants to cure you - money is a mere incidental, as long as you have it. The (castrated)unions are conspiratorial red masons who control the labour party and wish to bring about the destruction of our capitalist utopia. Modelling herself on Goebbels and the Mother of Christ, May is a much maligned compassionate mother of the nation blasphemed against by the left.

Exploitation by the tories, finance, business, landlords, is freedom(socialism for the rich): a more equitable society, well resourced universal NHS, welfare, education, public services, jobs with a living wage/employment rights and decent conditions is slavery.

Facts and statistics are flexible, 'Doublethink' is de rigueur, 'Newspeak' the official language with Murdoch the Daily Mail its loudest most vociferous voices and now the Guardian. '1984' is seen as an operating manual by the tories rather than a critique. The disabled, poor, sick, unemployed, the low paid are unproductive parasites, surplus to requirements in a world divided between "scroungers and strivers." Western Europe, the EU and particularly France(the perfidious Johnny foreigner) is a hotbed of indolent communists who are jealous of our neo liberal paradise.

The tories are nothing more than verminous, parasitic, sociopathic trash. Reductive whores of Social Darwinist, voodoo economics, who wish to reduce every aspect of humanity to mere units of production, they despise ordinary people and see their only value, as an entry in a profit and loss account, to be exploited by the human garbage that this sub-strata of humanity are, and the workhouse capitalism they serve.

There exists for right wing tory dupes a neo-liberal dystopian holy grail; a kind of Somalia with fish and chips, vindaloo, obesity and better drainage; ruled by neo liberal tory warlords, Blairite kapos, Ayn Rand inspired gangsters, funded by London stock exchange parasites, with UKIP as the Sturm Abteilung (SA). Remember the fascist war cry as they went into battle against Republican troops during the Spanish Civil War? "Death to the intellect! Long live death!". How appropriate?!! Maybe May could work that into a revised tory version of 'Land of Hope and Glory.'

Great post.

 

[City Raider]

I think he means the the national debt, is now something like £1.5 trillion, double when the came to power, the deficit has gone down but the debt is double.

Thank you. It's Glazer economics.