General Election June 8th

Who will you vote for at the General Election?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 189 28.8%

  • Labour

    Votes: 366 55.8%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 37 5.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 8 1.2%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 23 3.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 33 5.0%
  • Total voters
    656
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Changing the system because the result or the way the country is voting isn't democracy is it though? It's quite the opposite.
 
SWP's back said:
We all support City. We would all rather City spend £200m this summer than give £2.7m to every league club from the Championship down.
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That's about philanthropy. My post was about why some people should have so much money that they can be generous (not that being rich makes people generous) while others have to rely on generosity. The word "accumulation" was the clue.
 
Vic said:
That's about philanthropy. My post was about why some people should have so much money that they can be generous (not that being rich makes people generous) while others have to rely on generosity. The word "accumulation" was the clue.
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Some people have so much money because they have put themselves in that position. A CEO earning £3m per year at a successful company ends up working for nearly two and a half days "for free" with income tax how it is at present. Do you not think they are already paying "their fair share"?

They would argue only so many have the skill or ability or training or experience to do their job whilst the cleaner they employ or low level analyst could be replaced with ease.

To take it back to football, there are only so many players in the PL and they get paid the most, but few bemoan one player getting paid in a year 3x the amount of all the players combined in the Conference. That is because people understand talent in football, but don't have the same view of business.
 
mcfc1632 said:
Yeah - I understand - I was not meaning anything 'pointed' towards you in my post - there are many countries that successfully operate a system of PR

As long as I have been old enough to vote I have been unable to make my vote count for anything – apart from the Referendum.

That is because for many years I lived in a constituency that has always been Labour – and likely always will be.

As events led to me moving location I have ended up in a constituency that has probably always been Conservative – and likely always will be.

So I feel pretty disenfranchised with the current system – but I recognise that it is the one we have

It seems very strange that people can be content with a system that means that the power to affect change essentially resides with the relatively small percentage of the population that live in marginals
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Exactly. It's not fair or right. Our votes are turned to shit, to nothing because of where you happen to live.
 
SWP's back said:
Some people have so much money because they have put themselves in that position. A CEO earning £3m per year at a successful company ends up working for nearly two and a half days "for free" with income tax how it is at present. Do you not think they are already paying "their fair share"?

They would argue only so many have the skill or ability or training or experience to do their job whilst the cleaner they employ or low level analyst could be replaced with ease.

To take it back to football, there are only so many players in the PL and they get paid the most, but few bemoan one player getting paid in a year 3x the amount of all the players combined in the Conference. That is because people understand talent in football, but don't have the same view of business.
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It does my head in to hear Labour supporters banging on about "the rich" should pay their "fare share", with the implication that they are not.

A person on £120k per year currently pays about £40,000 in tax. A person on £20,000 pays around £1,700. So the person earning 6 times as much, pays 24 times more tax, as it stands. And Labour think 24 times more is not enough, and people should pay even more than that???

The other thing that does my head in is people who are either too thick or too greedy or both, banging on about how we should spend more on the NHS, more on child care, more on education, more on pensions, more on railways, more on this, more on that. Maybe I should call them "the morons". It's all gimme gimme gimme, I want, I want, I want. And not a fucking thought about how on earth we as a society are supposed to pay for all their freebies. And if they are asked, you usually get shit like,

"Just get the rich to pay, yeah, that'll sort it. And companies too, yeah, those tax dodgers, they can pay as well."

Basically they want anyone else to pay, so long as they don't have to, and they get all the stuff they want for free.

Makes me want to throw up.
 
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Ancient Citizen said:
How many people do you know who use food banks regularly, I mean to sustain themselves because of starvation?
Are you a multi millionaire, silver spoon individual who has no concept of poverty or deprivation? Nurses are not on starvation
wages for christ's sake, we have a poster on here who would be glad to earn half of what a nurse gets on qualification.

5 years training and a 50k debt at the end of it and bingo! 22k a year and the highlife beckons.

This feeble and pathetic attempt to paint Britain as some festering shithole with folk dying in the street is laughable,
by all means champion your political choice, but this claptrap is embarassing.
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BlueHammer85 said:
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What a convenient list of countries. Funny Ireland isn't on the list. Could it be because their rate is 12.5%, perhaps? And Bulgaria aren't there I notice (10%). What about Cyprus (12.5%). Romania 16%, Serbia 15%. Funny they aren't there either. I can go on if you like, there's plenty to choose from.

And whilst on the subject of the bent chart, the UK is 19% currently, which is rather closer to the other countries than the bent chart shows. Lies, damned lies and charts eh?

And putting aside for a moment the fact that they could go to the Cayman Islands, like the Trafford club, they can also choose to make less profit. Or indeed make less profit not out of choice, but out of being less competitive due to the higher corporation tax and other Labour silliness that fucks up the economy, as always.

The fact is the revenue to the government from corporation tax is at a record high, despite the main rate falling from 30 per cent in 2008 to 19 per cent today. This is not coincidence. It is very convenient folly to pretend that an increase in corporation tax rates will yield a corresponding increase in corporation tax. But as I say, convenient folly.

A more honest Labour position would be, "we are going to spend like fuck and fuck up the economy as usual". But that doesn't get as many votes.

The idea that at a time, as a result of Brexit, businesses are re-evaluating where to base their European operations, we should unilaterally put up our corporation tax rates, is so stupid it beggars belief.
 
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mcfc1632 said:
Or it could just be that when actually faced with the prospect of having such a genuinely leftist government elected - the UK electorate will decide that it is simply not for them.

The latest voting intentions as summarised by Yougov are:

"For the first time in this election, YouGov reveals the voting intention picture in each British government office region. The fieldwork, conducted from April 24 to May 5, shows:

  • The Conservative vote share is up, sometimes dramatically so, since the last general election in every region of the UK.
  • Labour are down on their 2015 vote haul in every region of the UK except the South West and South East where they were already performing poorly.
  • The Liberal Democrat vote share is up in most regions, but only by small margins.
  • UKIP’s vote share is down seven to ten points in all regions except Scotland and London, where they were already performing poorly."
It's not just your 6 mates - an awful lot of people are simply not persuaded by the Labour offering.

After the Referendum result led to all sorts of accusations about the Leave voters being thick/gullible etc. what is going to happen this time.

perhaps the Hard Remainers and diehard Labour supporters should just look in the mirror for where the problems lie rather than blame others.
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Ah....

Good old YouGov.

Created by and run by one of the Tory parties biggest doners. A bastian of independence.
 
Gelsons Dad said:
Nice photo grab.
why not look here for your answer:
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/country-list/corporate-tax-rate?continent=europe

scroll down and choose Europe in the bottom table. Check out who has lower rates than labours ridiculous proposal and ask yourself how many companies will choose to relocate?
Labour would push the UK above the EU average at a time when we will be competing head on with the EU. He's an idiot.
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On that, the nation agrees.

There are around 50 countries I believe with corporation tax rates lower than our current 19%, let alone the rate Corbyn proposes. The person responsible for the chart is basically trying to bend the truth to suit their twisted agenda.
 
General election 2017: Will education be the key factor?

Uneducated people don't vote Labour or Libdem? This is a comfort blanket for voters who can't fathom why people vote the way they do and the way they don't. I'd question the way this information is harvested and the way they are refined and pumped out as propaganda.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39936927
 
mat said:
Ah....

Good old YouGov.

Created by and run by one of the Tory parties biggest doners. A bastian of independence.
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Are you going to provide any evidence that the information is inaccurate?

Would be clever if you could – because these findings are consistent with those of all pollsters – are they all pro-Conservative?
 
Len Rum said:
Why would Labour necessarily negotiate a worse Brexit deal than the Tories?
Tories are more likely to walk away with no deal.
No way of knowing who would make a better economic deal. Tories might keep immigration down , fcuk off the ECJ but get a poor trade deal, Labour could be softer on immigration and ECJ but get a better trade deal which would be better for the economy.
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Like I say more likely to give more away. Whether that is better depends on your stance. You have pretty much agreed with me
 
hilts said:
Like I say more likely to give more away. Whether that is better depends on your stance. You have pretty much agreed with me
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We will soon see - Len has more about him than others - so he will accept, rather than dodge, my challenge on the A50 thread I am sure.
 
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