General Election June 8th

[hilts]

She's willing to do anything as she wants to work. Being unemployed make her feel like a stigma. I will ask in my locals if there's vacancies.

I'm on dodgy ground here not knowing your circumstances but comments like she needs a nudge and you will ask if there are any vacancies get my spidey senses going.

 

[1.618034]

Colin posted it before.

There will be a new wealth tax.

Not that I think a wealth tax is a bad thing, but let's have the full quote from the policy eh?

In its first years, our service will require an additional £3 billion of public funds every year, enough to place a maximum limit on lifetime personal contributions to care costs, raise the asset threshold below which people are entitled to state support, and provide free end of life care. There are different ways the necessary monies can be raised. We will seek consensus on a cross-party basis about how it should be funded, with options including wealth taxes, an employer care contribution or a new social care levy.


Reaching a cross-party consensus? The bastards.


BTW I don't gamble. The only slip I'll be filling in is my voting slip.


Also, since you're in the trade(?), what would be the cost difference, for an average earner (£27k pa), between taking out private insurance compared to paying say an extra 1% PAYE?NI?

Assuming that you'd even be able to get insurance, if you had any, er, previous...?

I would be genuinely interested to know...

 

[SWP's back]

Is that fake news? Best odds I see are 10/1, shortest 4/1 with others ranging between six and eight to one.

Only fake news if you can't read or use google

https://m.oddschecker.com/m/politics/british-politics/next-uk-general-election/most-seats

 

[hilts]

You reckon we'd have the Northern Ireland Assembly without all that mayhem and murder?

And there we have it

 

[SWP's back]

Also, since you're in the trade(?), what would be the cost difference, for an average earner (£27k pa), between taking out private insurance compared to paying say an extra 1% PAYE?NI?

For what?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

She's definitely demonstrating her negotiating skills to the watching foreign Johnies. Whatever she agrees, if Murdoch and Dacre don't like it, she'll be back in a couple of days with a new plan. I'll wager those EU chaps are quaking in their boots.....

She's a fucking clown.

 

[Blue Whale]

No. You have no political empathy as I said. you don't even know what it fucking means. You can only see things from your point of view. It doesn't lend itself to even half decent debate.

Ps, I've never even attempted "to get the baics right" as I've no idea what they are. But let me tell you a secret, when attempting to denigrate someone else on on a point, understand the point the were making in the first place, that way you'll look less of a fool.

Sure thing Tory Boy

 

[The perfect fumble]

Sorry - you always seem to post distractions – seemingly due to a lack of anything of substance to post.

But some topics are beyond your silly attempts at distraction

United Ireland?? I can see several ways that could come about in the future – through the choice and actions of the people that live there within a democratic process.

The IRA were callous murdering thugs operating a campaign of terror – Corbyn deserves nothing but contempt IMO for the support he clearly had/has for them – demonstrated by his actions then and (lack of) words now.

Frankly, IMO you also deserve a level of contempt, by the shallow manner in which you equate the IRA’s actions at the height of the troubles to how things could evolve in Wales and Scotland – as well as a united Ireland.

Arlene Foster said it more eloquently this morning:

"It is hard to take seriously the democratic credentials of a man who was so close to the political representatives of the IRA at the height of the Troubles.

"It is hard to see much good coming for the Labour Party from the coming election except the replacement of their leader."

Idiot, I'm not equating "the troubles" to the SNP or Plaid Cymru's campaign for independence, rather your decision to talk about English patriots rather than British.

National self determination is rarely achieved through exclusively peaceful means, much as we would like it to be otherwise.

 

[SWP's back]

Sure thing Tory Boy

You add nothing to this thread at all.

Take a leaf out of the book's of some of the other lefties. Grow up. Debate. Argue. All fine. But add something other than "Tory Boy" and "Vote Labour"

 

[Blue Whale]

You add nothing to this thread at all.

Take a leaf out of the book's of some of the other lefties. Grow up. Debate. Argue. All fine. But add something other than "Tory Boy" and "Vote Labour"

Ok sweetheart.

 

[mcfc1632]

The reason, I believe, is because manifesto pledges that are then put into place once the winning party
gains power, can not be rejected by the Lords, whilst policies formed in government that were not manifesto based
are subject to endless scrutiny, which we've seen lately.
Prior to this announcement the starting point for payments for care costs were around £23,000, I've not checked, but they
probably still are. I have personal, and distressing, experience of this whole process, in that my mother, who suffered from
vascular dementia, had to live with me,who was then working, and was cared for by my wife, who was not, and still isn't,
in the best of health. This happened over a period of 3 years, until, doubly incontinent, raving and suffering intense distress,
she had to go into a care home. All her, and my late father's money, around £50,000, was quickly used up, then I was contacted
by the care home and council about any other assets, so her bungalow, worth £165,000 at the time was put up for sale.
Knowing this would happen, I had managed to arrange a 'Deed of variation' a complicated procedure that effectively gave me 50%
of the house, so this was safe, but the other half quickly went.
So, in essence, if you're in a care home, your assets will get used to fund it, the Tories proposition, however, would mean you
get to keep £100,000 of those assets.
It's been badly presented though, but if anyone can tell me what Labour proposes, or how it will find funding for this,
I'd be interested.

I agree with all of this - I actually knew about the manifesto/Lords issue and commented on it the other day - I worded it badly - I really meant it as a judgement call i.e. I would have expected her not to put something so 'sensitive' in this manifesto - because it is all about Brexit and getting the sufficient majority to railroad things through and avoid all the machinations that we have seen since June.

I think that she has gotten carried away with all the polls showing her steamrolling the election so she has decided to put in some of the policies that she would not have done had the polls been showing a tight result - fucking stupid IMO.

Whist I hate the social care policy announced - the fact that it is actually better than the current situation has experiences that we have both had have evidenced means that it has been very badly managed - there has been some arrogance/contempt somewhere

 

[The perfect fumble]

Whether there is support or not is not the point, I'm sure there are many in this country who would not care a jot if we just gave the Falklands and Gibraltar to their respective neighbouring countries. As for Ireland well Ireland has no right to determine the future of Northern Ireland, whether that is by means of terrorism or not, it is completely irrelevant.

The point in all of this is we should be asking if Northern Ireland wants to remain a part of us and they do overwhelmingly which suggests we should defend their right to choose. The IRA sought to take away the right of those people to make a self determination by means of violence, we went to war with Argentina over the exact same thing and we would do so with Spain too over Gibraltar if it came to it.

Those who support a United Ireland or the IRA or anyone of that faction is directly opposing the rights of your fellow countrymen, rights people have died to protect. Corbyns failure to outright condemn the IRA shows that he is quite simply unwilling to defend the rights of the people he would be charged with protecting.

He has only shown that if this country was attacked he would not retaliate albeit because he is not willing to use violence to protect us from threats.

I'm thinking of starting a campaign to draw a circle around Golders Green in North London and establishing an independent Jewish state, if I could get enough votes from everyone within the circle to support it, then I'm sure you'll get behind it.

Pity about the inhabitants of Diego Garcia, but we'll not dwell too long on that and I'll be knocking on your door soon to support Kurdish independence. Oh! perhaps not! What with the activities of the PKK and all. God! This is complicated, sorting out good self determination from the bad.

 

[BlueHammer85]

What happened to all the competent people? I swear it's a fucking circus these days. I wouldn't trust any of these twats to plan a birthday party, yet alone run the country.

social media world - no party leader will ever satisfy

 

[The perfect fumble]

I do wish @The perfect fumble and @mcfc1632 would book a hotel room together and engage in a weekend of back-to-back 'hate fucks' and get it all out of their system, for everyone else's sake.

Heartbreak Hotel is fully booked with remainers, but I can book Room 101 for mcfc1632, where he can happily toss cardboard cut outs of Angela Merkel, Jeremy Corbyn and Jean-Claude Junker in to oblivion and leave me the fuck alone.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I know you've been let down by your beloved party mate but you sound desperate.
Jezza and McDonald are looking the strong guys in this campaign.
Jezza's forced Mavis to U turn on social policy and the way McDonald destroyed Damian Green on Marr yesterday, I'd say he ( McDonald) was well hard.
Kier Starmer, Jezz and John look like a strong team to me to negotiate Brexit.

Tories - weak and wobbly. The new soundbites.
Luvin it.

All of the above is irrelevant though when the only thing that's debatable is the amount by Labour will lose. Will you be beaten or hammered, that's the question.

 

[BlueHammer85]

You add nothing to this thread at all.

Take a leaf out of the book's of some of the other lefties. Grow up. Debate. Argue. All fine. But add something other than "Tory Boy" and "Vote Labour"

How about taking your own advice ?

in the last 3 pages you have stated 'Grow up' 'Only if your cant read' 'dont be a idiot' 'your a idiot' and 'educate yourself' aimed at 5 different posters.

Your a confrontational tosspot

 

[Chippy_boy]

May is going to get slaughtered by Andrew Neil over this, this evening. Should be interesting viewing.

 

[HelloCity]

The run in for this election has really surprised me. I knew I wouldn't agree with the policies/politics of May but I still imagined that for her side she would be a decent politician and a formidable foe. But you know what? She's absolutely rubbish.

I'm genuinely taken back by how poor she is under pressure and it has left me questioning how she could possibly get a good Brexit deal for us. She can't handle anything at all that isn't pre-rehearsed and she's so right wing that she makes the Cameron tory party look like a centralised New Labour.

 

[mcfc1632]

Heartbreak Hotel is fully booked with remainers, but I can book Room 101 for mcfc1632, where he can happily toss cardboard cut outs of Angela Merkel, Jeremy Corbyn and Jean-Claude Junker in to oblivion and leave me the fuck alone.

TBF - it has been you that a couple of times have done a flounce and say that you are not going to respond/quote any of my posts - and then fail to keep your word.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

She's a fucking clown.

Her latest is a cracker on the importance of Brexit negotiations. "There will be no time to waste and no time for a new government to find its way," she said, 4 weeks after calling an election she wasn't going to call. I'd say you couldn't make it up but she just keeps on, making it up.