Explosion at MEN Arena/Victoria Station

More victims are being named. A polish couple who were waiting for their 2 daughters in the foyer were killed. Cannot imagine what that family is going through.

The mother of the 15 year old girl who was pleading for her return has also confirmed she has died, her friend has suffered life changing inn juries and surgeons are battling to save their eyes. A primary school child named Megan was also confirmed to of been killed.
 
No. The quote stands. No man that kills for oil thinks they are doing a good deed. And if they are able to kill and pass it off as collateral damage without a second thought then they are not good men.

Without religion then attacks such as Paris and London and London and Manchester and a myriad of others don't happen.

I stand by all of the post you quoted.

Religion is immaterial and wholly irrelevant to these people. It is a hook that they can hang their warped sense of whatever it is they feel. If it weren't religion there'd be another ten hooks all lined up!
 
No. The quote stands. No man that kills for oil thinks they are doing a good deed. And if they are able to kill and pass it off as collateral damage without a second thought then they are not good men.

Without religion then attacks such as Paris and London and London and Manchester and a myriad of others don't happen.

I stand by all of the post you quoted.
Too simplistic. Because of the inevitable cross wiring of human nature (social grouping, defending your own etc) they'll always be those with a grudge, who can influence others and see violence as a legitimate action with or without religion. As an example The Northern Ireland troubles weren't essentially about religion, it was about 2 different groups with different cultural backgrounds who claimed a right to a land. The religious difference was just a stamp of their cultural heritage and not the reason for the fighting and anger. Without the religion there still would have been violence.
 
Religion is immaterial and wholly irrelevant to these people. It is a hook that they can hang their warped sense of whatever it is they feel. If it weren't religion there'd be another ten hooks all lined up!
I would agree with you but the fact that all the attacks are coming from a single demographic.

Where are all the indiscriminate attacks from people with other backgrounds? Or are people of middle eastern and north African descent genetically more disposed to having warped feelings and wanting to attack others whilst killing themselves in the process? (the answer is "of course not").
 
I had a few pints last night too. It's obvious what the conversation was. Lots of different opinions on the problems, solutions etc. but everybody respected everyone elses perspective.

The tram in this morning was subdued. We had a jolt just before a stop and a few people felt it...
 
Without the religion there still would have been violence [in Northern Ireland].
Totally disagree. The Religion allowed the divides to remain. What had happened 2 or 3 hundred years ago would have long been forgotten, people have intermarried. Saying they are from different cultural backgrounds is false. They are all essentially Anglo-Saxons and Celts, of the same genetic make up as people from Liverpool, Manchester, Glasgow & Dublin. Without religion all divides would have not have prevailed for 300 years.
 
One girl who's family have been on the news all day looking for her has been killed, was really hoping she was going to be found alive.

The young girl who's mother was on TV all day yesterday appealing as to her whereabouts,has finally been named as one of the victims......so terribly sad.


My cousin's niece. R. I .P. Olivia. Such a fucking tragic waste.
 
Victoria station still closed "for several days" say northern rail. No update on Metrolink website since 6.45 yesterday. I can understand why the Victoria platforms needing bridge access might be part of the crime scene but the other platforms and tram are not that close.
 
No. The quote stands. No man that kills for oil thinks they are doing a good deed. And if they are able to kill and pass it off as collateral damage without a second thought then they are not good men.

Without religion then attacks such as Paris and London and London and Manchester and a myriad of others don't happen.

I stand by all of the post you quoted.
What does that make Churchill then?

Sorry if you don't think current Islamist terrorism is about oil as well as religion.
 
I am so proud of my City and my club right now for so many reasons. Our club opened its doors straight away, the shite closed their tours for the day. I give you the definitive proof of who is the club of Manchester.
 
I really haven't said a lot as people have probably said what i think anyway. i'm heartbroken, sad and now feel anger.

What is angering me and has been running through my head is that the bomber is said to have been "known" by police.

Well hey, about everybody that is "known" now get locked up and put in a big massive deep hole somewhere where they cannot hurt anybody else.

My Heart goes out to Manchester
 
I am so proud of my City and my club right now for so many reasons. Our club opened its doors straight away, the shite closed their tours for the day. I give you the definitive proof of who is the club of Manchester.

it makes no difference realy, the Etihad is a safe zone for incidents in the town thats why we opened the doors so to say and united did the correct thing IMO
 
I am so proud of my City and my club right now for so many reasons. Our club opened its doors straight away, the shite closed their tours for the day. I give you the definitive proof of who is the club of Manchester.

To be fair we also closed the shop and cancelled tours yesterday in respect and because it was being used as a support centre.
 
The following article makes for grim reading as to the future of our society:
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7861/british-muslims-survey
Just to recap some salutary points:
- 33% of the Muslim community have sympathy for some acts of Islamic related terrorism.
- 23% want Sharia Law to be applied to the Muslim community.
- 100,000 agree with a 'radical' interprepretation of Islam. That's 3% of the Muslim community - not something to tar the whole Muslim community with but a significant amount nonetheless.

On the other hand.
- 80% of the Muslim community think this country is a great place to live with our societies tollarance.
- Many, many people in the Muslim community Are standing up to the forces of Radicalisation.

Personally I think some things need to change:
- First, it is not a radical interpretation of Islam it is Fascist. Religious based fascism rather than nationalist based but Fascism all the same. We must stop using the term Radical Islam. it needs to be replaced with the term Isamofascism at all levels. Radical implies some sort of caring, sharing people first ideology. it is nothing if the sort.
- Secondly the political left needs to take the Islamofascists to task as much as they take the Alt-right to rask. Stop pretending that because these views are based in a minority community that they are in anyway acceptable. They are not.
- Thirdly the moderate/liberal Muslims fighting this cancer in their community badly need our help and support.
- Fourthly, zero tolerance for Islamophobia And Isamofascism in equal measure. Challenge these opinions at all times but not in a manner that make the moderate/liberal Muslims life more difficult.

With the impending collapse of the ISIL caliphate many radicalised fighters will be returning to the UK. Their UK citizenship must me revoked. We cannot allow these people back into the UK without these people being deprogrammed.

It's going to be tough but we can get there.
 
16 men from a 3 mile radius of Abedi's house have travelled to Syria and Iraq to fight for ISIS

This is Manchester 2017
 
I am so proud of my City and my club right now for so many reasons. Our club opened its doors straight away, the shite closed their tours for the day. I give you the definitive proof of who is the club of Manchester.

Not the time for point scoring really. We didnt offer, the plan would of been in place to use the Etihad for incidents like this
 
I really haven't said a lot as people have probably said what i think anyway. i'm heartbroken, sad and now feel anger.

What is angering me and has been running through my head is that the bomber is said to have been "known" by police.

Well hey, about everybody that is "known" now get locked up and put in a big massive deep hole somewhere where they cannot hurt anybody else.

My Heart goes out to Manchester

i can only agree here,yes he was known with links to ISIS so as my above post he should have not been walking the streets, round them up 'all suspects' do the homework and either deport them back to their mother country and for the British suspects then tag them untill they are proven safe
 

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