General Election June 8th

[Chippy_boy]

I found it very puzzling that things slightly picked up for May at the end when she just started repeating "no deal is a better than a bad deal" over and over again. In truth a bad deal is a bad deal and no deal is also a bad deal and yet you get people mindlessly clapping along to hollow statements like that.

It's also pretty frustrating that she gets away with willfully misleading people by setting an entirely unachievable target like reducing net immigration to tens of thousands of people. She and her party above repeatedly failed to do this and the fact it remains as high at is from outside the EU proves there is no real will to lower it.

What I find so intensely annoying and frustrating about May is that the various stinking piles of crap she's got herself into, are entirely self-inflicted. Had she simply kept her trap shut, she'd have waltzed to a 150 seat majority. But no, the silly woman has to go coming up with ridiculous policies that get her into all sorts of trouble.

The "tens of thousands" immigration idea is just one such. She might has well have put a target on her backside, and said go on, have kick. The "taking people's home off them, because we are kind and want to protect them" utter nonsense is another. As is lying about "nothing has changed" when clearly she's (quite rightly) done an absolute whopper of a u-turn.

She may be a very competent person when it comes to running the country, or indeed the Brexit negotiations and let's hope so since she will still probably win. But as for her acumen as a seasoned politician, I think she's an absolute buffoon.

 

[geoff clipp]

What I find so intensely annoying and frustrating about May is that the various stinking piles of crap she's got herself into, are entirely self-inflicted. Had she simply kept her trap shut, she'd have waltzed to a 150 seat majority. But no, the silly woman has to go coming up with ridiculous policies that get her into all sorts of trouble.

The "tens of thousands" immigration idea is just one such. She might has well have put a target on her backside, and said go on, have kick. The "taking people's home off them, because we are kind and want to protect them" utter nonsense is another. As is lying about "nothing has changed" when clearly she's (quite rightly) done an absolute whopper of a u-turn.

She may be a very competent person when it comes to running the country, or indeed the Brexit negotiations and let's hope so since she will still probably win. But as for her acumen as a seasoned politician, I think she's an absolute buffoon.

None of that comes as much comfort to me as I severely doubt her competency when it comes to Brexit negotiations. She also clearly doubts her own capabilities hence the "no deal is better than a bad deal" mantra they've come up with.

Time will tell but I expect we'll see the Tories negotiate a deal that would us allow us to cut immigration from the EU but costs us a fuck tonne of money too. This will be heralded as a victory by the anti immigration brigade but ultimately will see very little change in net immigration and the whole thing will have been a needless waste of money.

 

[Damocles]

She may be a very competent person when it comes to running the country, or indeed the Brexit negotiations and let's hope so since she will still probably win. But as for her acumen as a seasoned politician, I think she's an absolute buffoon.

She has the Gordon Brown problem. I've been reading up on her a bit this morning and everybody who worked for her seemed to think that she was really good at actually running the country in the capacity of Home Secretary. They say this right before they talk about a lack of charisma and political antenna.

If you read Mandelson's autobiography, a historical rival of Brown's, you get the idea that in New Labour it was Tony Blair who was the Middle England Mondeo Man's best friend and a keen political mind yet Brown was the studious and competent administrator which is why there was such a rivalry. Blair was Radio 2 compared to Brown's Radio 4.

Theresa May seems to suffer the same ill. A great person to have if you want to discuss policy in a calm and rational setting but if you want the razamatazz of front line politics then she's not in her element. Though there's a bit of overreaction to last night disguised in there - May always came across to me as a good candidate because she accepts the realities of her political positions rather than attempts to ideologise them, she is more left wing then she's given credit for, especially in a time where the Tory right have an overwhelming force pulling on them in UKIP.

But this is the Howard Wilkinson issue. Wilkinson is one of the keenest minds British football has ever produced. Yet he came to prominence at a time whereby media skills were becoming just as important as coaching ability and people who couldn't lace his boots on the training pitch got roles well above their station because they looked like movie stars and talked a good game. Howard Wilkinson talked like that bloke out of On the Buses. Unfortunately whether we like it or don't this type of skillset is now a necessary one for people wanting the PM's job.

 

[The perfect fumble]

She was basically getting heckled and abused when talking about her policies and lack of figures but then Paxman gave her the platform to finish off on Brexit where she sounds strong and stable (arf)

Yes, her strong and stable line that if you shoot yourself in the head it cures your cold.

 

[Magicpole]

What I find so intensely annoying and frustrating about May is that the various stinking piles of crap she's got herself into, are entirely self-inflicted. Had she simply kept her trap shut, she'd have waltzed to a 150 seat majority. But no, the silly woman has to go coming up with ridiculous policies that get her into all sorts of trouble.

The "tens of thousands" immigration idea is just one such. She might has well have put a target on her backside, and said go on, have kick. The "taking people's home off them, because we are kind and want to protect them" utter nonsense is another. As is lying about "nothing has changed" when clearly she's (quite rightly) done an absolute whopper of a u-turn.

She may be a very competent person when it comes to running the country, or indeed the Brexit negotiations and let's hope so since she will still probably win. But as for her acumen as a seasoned politician, I think she's an absolute buffoon.

Is it not better that the people see Mayday Mayday as she really is, rather than how the right wing media, and the BBC tried to reincarnate Bodica?

She is a liar, has had more flip flops than a market in Magaluf. Wants to reintroduce fox hunting showing she is a heartless sick bastard to boot.

Her true awful colours are being exposed. All she has is a character assassination of Corbyn and that again shows what a utter horrible **** she and her pals in the media are.

A manifesto falling apart, being uncosted, getting changed shows they put all their eggs into a smear campaign.

How fucking noble.

Hopefully the people call her out for the **** she and her party are.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

She has the Gordon Brown problem. I've been reading up on her a bit this morning and everybody who worked for her seemed to think that she was really good at actually running the country in the capacity of Home Secretary. They say this right before they talk about a lack of charisma and political antenna.

If you read Mandelson's autobiography, a historical rival of Brown's, you get the idea that in New Labour it was Tony Blair who was the Middle England Mondeo Man's best friend and a keen political mind yet Brown was the studious and competent administrator which is why there was such a rivalry. Blair was Radio 2 compared to Brown's Radio 4.

Theresa May seems to suffer the same ill. A great person to have if you want to discuss policy in a calm and rational setting but if you want the razamatazz of front line politics then she's not in her element. Though there's a bit of overreaction to last night disguised in there - May always came across to me as a good candidate because she accepts the realities of her political positions rather than attempts to ideologise them, she is more left wing then she's given credit for, especially in a time where the Tory right have an overwhelming force pulling on them in UKIP.

But this is the Howard Wilkinson issue. Wilkinson is one of the keenest minds British football has ever produced. Yet he came to prominence at a time whereby media skills were becoming just as important as coaching ability and people who couldn't lace his boots on the training pitch got roles well above their station because they looked like movie stars and talked a good game. Howard Wilkinson talked like that bloke out of On the Buses. Unfortunately whether we like it or don't this type of skillset is now a necessary one for people wanting the PM's job.

This is spot on and really defines the difference between a leader and an administrator/manager. Two roles which sound similar but in fact are completely different. A leader is a salesman an administrator does the hard graft.

With a different leader the Tory manifesto may not have been seen in such a bad light. She just couldn't sell it.

 

[SWP's back]

It's also pretty frustrating that she gets away with willfully misleading people by setting an entirely unachievable target like reducing net immigration to tens of thousands of people. She and her party above repeatedly failed to do this and the fact it remains as high at is from outside the EU proves there is no real will to lower it.

Why do you think that is at present?

 

[SWP's back]

She was basically getting heckled and abused when talking about her policies

Which shows one side of the political spectrum is fucking rude.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Which shows one side of the political spectrum is fucking rude.

You're right, I bet the fucking lefties delve in to May's background to question her patriotism.....

 

[Peggy's a blue]

I lost a lot of respect for Corbyn last night. I always thought well here is a guy who will not sacrifice his beliefs on the altar of popularity. Time and again he was not true to himself. I now rate him with the rest of the political rabble I can't stand. The say anything to get you in power brigade.
I am not by the way any sort of leftie, most of whom are hate filled troubled people who I feel sad for, but I thought I knew a good man when I saw one, sadly, I admit I was wrong.

 

[worsleyweb]

She has the Gordon Brown problem. I've been reading up on her a bit this morning and everybody who worked for her seemed to think that she was really good at actually running the country in the capacity of Home Secretary. They say this right before they talk about a lack of charisma and political antenna.

If you read Mandelson's autobiography, a historical rival of Brown's, you get the idea that in New Labour it was Tony Blair who was the Middle England Mondeo Man's best friend and a keen political mind yet Brown was the studious and competent administrator which is why there was such a rivalry. Blair was Radio 2 compared to Brown's Radio 4.

Theresa May seems to suffer the same ill. A great person to have if you want to discuss policy in a calm and rational setting but if you want the razamatazz of front line politics then she's not in her element. Though there's a bit of overreaction to last night disguised in there - May always came across to me as a good candidate because she accepts the realities of her political positions rather than attempts to ideologise them, she is more left wing then she's given credit for, especially in a time where the Tory right have an overwhelming force pulling on them in UKIP.

But this is the Howard Wilkinson issue. Wilkinson is one of the keenest minds British football has ever produced. Yet he came to prominence at a time whereby media skills were becoming just as important as coaching ability and people who couldn't lace his boots on the training pitch got roles well above their station because they looked like movie stars and talked a good game. Howard Wilkinson talked like that bloke out of On the Buses. Unfortunately whether we like it or don't this type of skillset is now a necessary one for people wanting the PM's job.

Good post.

 

[geoff clipp]

Why do you think that is at present?

Why do I think they haven't reduced net immigration? Probably because our economy requires it to be at the current levels and given our ageing population this will most likely continue to be the case.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

I lost a lot of respect for Corbyn last night. I always thought well here is a guy who will not sacrifice his beliefs on the altar of popularity. Time and again he was not true to himself. I now rate him with the rest of the political rabble I can't stand. The say anything to get you in power brigade.
I am not by the way any sort of leftie, most of whom are hate filled troubled people who I feel sad for, but I thought I knew a good man when I saw one, sadly, I admit I was wrong.

I think he came across even better, someone who was willing to debate, include the party he represents in decision-making and actually not dictate his stance just because he's leader.

Sounds like you want a dictator, I want a human being.

 

[The perfect fumble]

I lost a lot of respect for Corbyn last night. I always thought well here is a guy who will not sacrifice his beliefs on the altar of popularity. Time and again he was not true to himself. I now rate him with the rest of the political rabble I can't stand. The say anything to get you in power brigade.
I am not by the way any sort of leftie, most of whom are hate filled troubled people who I feel sad for, but I thought I knew a good man when I saw one, sadly, I admit I was wrong.

LOL...Well, no one can accuse you of not approaching this election with an open mind.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Why do I think they haven't reduced net immigration? Probably because our economy requires it to be at the current levels and given our ageing population this will most likely continue to be the case.

Setting immigration targets she has never met, nor has any intention of meeting, is just a red meat lie she tosses out to the gullible.

It plays well though.

 

[jay_mcfc]

Which shows one side of the political spectrum is fucking rude.

Or that one sided of the electorate don't like being blatantly lied to?

 

[Damocles]

I lost a lot of respect for Corbyn last night. I always thought well here is a guy who will not sacrifice his beliefs on the altar of popularity. Time and again he was not true to himself. I now rate him with the rest of the political rabble I can't stand. The say anything to get you in power brigade.
I am not by the way any sort of leftie, most of whom are hate filled troubled people who I feel sad for, but I thought I knew a good man when I saw one, sadly, I admit I was wrong.

Haha very funny, lost your way mate, heard Jeremy Corbyn is after a new assistant comedian, sounds like you fit the bill :-)

 

[Damocles]

Which shows one side of the political spectrum is fucking rude.

Yeah in the same way that the Nazis shows that all right wingers are anti-Semitic genocide merchants.

 

[Peggy's a blue]

Thank you sir, have you ever posted something in the heat of debate, I'd check the timimg too, if that was at weekend in the evening, could have been influenced by cold fizzy liquid :-(

 

[Peggy's a blue]

I think he came across even better, someone who was willing to debate, include the party he represents in decision-making and actually not dictate his stance just because he's leader.

Sounds like you want a dictator, I want a human being.

Oh dear, and now the bullying starts, I knew I shouldn't have posted something I believe in, oh wait I thought that was the idea of a forum ;-)