General Election June 8th

Who will you vote for at the General Election?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 189 28.8%
  • Labour

    Votes: 366 55.8%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 37 5.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 8 1.2%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 23 3.5%
  • Other

    Votes: 33 5.0%

  • Total voters
    656
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Wonder how many people will read this and agree?

Jim Jessop: (London):
So you're not sure, after what you've heard, whether you can vote labour...?
Not sure who wrote this, and like everything in life which is a complex business it seems, I don't necessarily agree with 110% of it, down to every last final minute detail, but the gist is clear enough:
'Here's what I'm really struggling to understand. All I've ever heard from people, for years, is
"bloody bankers and their bonuses"
"bloody rich and their offshore tax havens "
"bloody politicians with their lying and second homes"
“bloody corporations paying less tax than me”
"bloody Establishment, they're all in it together”
“it'll never change, there's no point in voting”
And quite rightly so, I said all the same things.
But then someone comes along that's different. He upsets the bankers and the rich. The Tory politicians hate him along with most of the labour politicians. The corporations throw more money at the politicians to keep him quiet. And the Establishment is visibly shaken. I've never seen the Establishment so genuinely scared of a single person.
So the media arm of the establishment gets involved. Theresa phones Rupert asking what he can do, and he tells her to keep her mouth shut, don't do the live debate, he'll sort this out. So the media goes into overdrive with…
“she's strong and stable”
“he's a clown”
“he's not a leader”
“look he can't even control his own party”
“he'll ruin the economy”
“how's he gonna pay for it all?!”
“AND he's a terrorist sympathiser, burn him, burn the terrorist sympathiser”
And what do we? We've waited forever for an honest politician to come along but instead of getting behind him we bow to the establishment like good little workers. They whistle and we do a little dance for them. We run around like hypnotised robots repeating headlines we've read, all nodding and agreeing. Feeling really proud of ourselves because we think we've came up with our very own first political opinion. But we haven't, we haven't came up with anything. This is how you tell. No matter where someone lives in the country, they're repeating the same headlines, word for word. From Cornwall to Newcastle people are saying
“he's a clown”
“he’s a threat to the country”
“she's strong and stable”
“he'll take us back to the 70s”
And there's nothing else, there's no further opinion. There's no evidence apart from 1 radio 5 interview that isn't even concrete evidence, he actually condemns the violence of both sides in the interview. There's no data or studies or official reports to back anything up. Try and think really hard why you think he's a clown, other than the fact he looks like a geography teacher. (no offence geography teachers) because he hasn't done anything clownish from what I've seen.
And you're not on this planet if you think the establishment and the media aren't all in it together.
You think Richard Branson, who's quietly winning NHS contracts, wants Corbyn in?
You think Rupert Murdoch, who's currently trying to widen his media monopoly by buying sky outright, wants Jeremy in?
You think the Barclay brothers, with their offshore residencies, want him in?
You think Philip Green, who stole all the pensions from BHS workers and claims his wife owns Top Shop because she lives in Monaco, wants Corbyn in?
You think the politicians, both Labour and Tory, with their second homes and alcohol paid for by us, want him in?
You think Starbucks, paying near zero tax, wants him in?
You think bankers, with their multi million pound bonuses, want him in?
And do you think they don't have contact with May? Or with the media? You honestly think that these millionaires and billionaires are the sort of people that go “ah well, easy come easy go, it was nice while it lasted”?? I wouldn't be if my personal fortune was at risk, I'd be straight on the phone to Theresa May or Rupert Murdoch demanding this gets sorted immediately.
Because here's a man, a politician that doesn't lie, he can't lie, he could have said whatever would get him votes anytime he wanted but he hasn't. He lives in a normal house like us and uses the bus just like us. He's fought for justice and peace for nearly 40 years. He has no career ambitions. And his seat is untouchable. That's one of the greatest testimonies. No one comes close to removing him from his constituency, election after election.
His Manifesto is fully costed. It all adds up, yes there's some borrowing but that's just to renationalise the railway, you know we already subsidise them and they make profit yeah? One more time… WE subsidise the railway companies and they walk away with a profit, just try and grasp the level of piss taking going on there.
Unlike the Tory manifesto with a £9 billion hole, their figures don't even add up.
And it benefits all of us, young, old, working, disabled, everyone.
 
I wouldn't want to get into "I'm considerably more generous than yow" but when people are praising a Tory MP for pointing out that food bank users are not really poor but have just had delays in benefit or been sanctioned I'm afraid my capacity to think the best of people is wearing thin.
But Damocles isn't a Tory and he made that very point yesterday and explained why the Tory MP said that, ie that it was accurate.
 
I still think she will win - despite being a Labour supporter - but I have said all along the 200 seat landslide suggested on the day of the announcement was a Tory party wank fantasy. I also said - if this type of thing were to be accurate - the "winner" would be the loser - Corbyn. If thats the case then May will be under major internal pressure from her party.

For the conspiracy theorists the question could be were dark forces at play within the Tories? Win but allow May enough rope to expose herself as inadequate and hang herself so that the "right" candidate from the right can take her place..................opinions? Coz its been a fucking appalling performance by her so far.

That isn't a conspiracy theory it is a mere fact of politics. The majority are happy supporting their party in their role but several want the big bucks the big jobs and Cabinet positions. All it takes is Boris tapping up a few back benchers and promising them big jobs if they support him and he can oust May.

He couldn't personally say May needs to resign but he could get someone else to before launching his leadership bid. It is standard in politics. May will have wanted the top job and Cameron out and Boris did all the work for her. He was too close to things to go for the leadership then, the media felt it was all his doing.

Boris has been acting like more of a clown than usual this election campaign and I am wondering whether he is doing all he can to scupper May's chances.

She has been found out. The surveys clearly showed a Tory lead so strong an early election was a sure bet. My god her PR must be gutted. Despite that lead she is choking completely against someone who has most of the mainstream media against them. It is unbelievable. The Tories thougjt they could waltz to a win answering no questions and pointing fingers at Labour to say theyre a joke. May is still trying to live off the EU brexit strong and stable line when we are all bored of it. Labour are playing a blinder by actually answering questions. When their answers aren't perhaps what you want to hear you still feel happy that they at least gave an answer rather than a pre-rehearsed load of drivel.
 
The problem they have had is their manifesto has been utterly dull and uninspiring and we have not heard enough from the other people in the party. Where has Boris Johnson, Hammond and all the others been in this election?? I like May, she came across quite well in the interview/debate this week but how do you sell a turd to people?

People can relate easy with the Labour manifesto because there is a lot in it that would be fantastic and Corbyn's consistent message is easy to digest. People can decide then whether to agree with him and on May I don't know what she will do for me and I am bored of Brexit. Obviously there are major issues over Corbyn's credibility but ultimately the Tories have not attacked it with counter ideas that people can vote for. They have tried to discredit and essentially assume people don't trust him which has turned to be quite a dangerous and arrogant move. The policies for pensioners have also been disastrous and pensioners always vote Tory so their whole campaign smacks of real stupidity to be honest.

On the whole polls are always wrong and the majority of people are not interested in an election until right up to the point where they come to vote. 90% don't follow politics and probably 50% don't even watch the news so that big 'silent' majority will remain silent until polling day. I don't think Corbyn will win but I do think that massive Tory majority will become slim simply because of their mismanagement over the whole thing. Making it about May has not worked and it is because they have nothing positive to market her around, instead she has just been attacked for slogans and a constant swivel to Brexit which most normal people are just really bored and tired of.
One of the most sensible posts I have read in a long while!
 
[QUOTE="inbetween, post: 10234383, member: 28182" I am bored of Brexit. [/QUOTE]

It does seem that the "Brexit Election" is turning out to be about everything apart from Brexit.
 
Don't recall receiving one yet. Unless the kids have moved it or chucked it. Do I need it or can I just take my driving licence

You do not need to take a polling card to vote.

Take id and maybe a utility bill to be safe

As long as registered you can vote
 
I haven't read the thread. Truth be told, I'm not really interested in politics. I'm not listening to any of the debates on TV. I work nights when the politicians are asleep and I'm earning my money. The debates I hear on the radio are like kids squabbling in the playground, so I change channels and listen to something more adult, which usually takes about 5 minutes.

I discovered that the last time there was an election.

I have no political party I support unreservedly, but I will, for the first time in my life, be voting Labour, and the reasons for me are quite simple.

I am fed up to the back teeth with austerity.

I don't know how long the Tories have been in power now, possibly 7 or 8 years, but I'm 59 years old and everything is crumbling and in a worse state than I can recall in my lifetime.

The NHS is in a mess, the roads are potholed, millions of people are on zero hours contracts, care for the elderly is sinking into oblivion, the armed forces have been cut to the point where we can barely defend ourselves. Our schools are underfunded, we have to pay extra to have our rubbish taken away, we don't have enough Police on the streets, there is a housing crises, millions of kids and their parents live in poverty, and we have food banks to give them a meal a day.

Charles Dickens would look at the country today and think nothing much had changed since he was alive.

I don't buy the austerity message anymore. We live in the 5th wealthiest country on earth, but you wouldn't know it if you walked around with your eyes open. It's time the rich paid more in and took less out.

I'm voting Labour, and I couldn't give a stuff if all the Tory's say we can't afford it.

I think we can, and I'm not going to be brainwashed by their messages anymore.
 
I haven't read the thread. Truth be told, I'm not really interested in politics. I'm not listening to any of the debates on TV. I work nights when the politicians are asleep and I'm earning my money. The debates I hear on the radio are like kids squabbling in the playground, so I change channels and listen to something more adult, which usually takes about 5 minutes.

I discovered that the last time there was an election.

I have no political party I support unreservedly, but I will, for the first time in my life, be voting Labour, and the reasons for me are quite simple.

I am fed up to the back teeth with austerity.

I don't know how long the Tories have been in power now, possibly 7 or 8 years, but I'm 59 years old and everything is crumbling and in a worse state than I can recall in my lifetime.

The NHS is in a mess, the roads are potholed, millions of people are on zero hours contracts, care for the elderly is sinking into oblivion, the armed forces have been cut to the point where we can barely defend ourselves. Our schools are underfunded, we have to pay extra to have our rubbish taken away, we don't have enough Police on the streets, there is a housing crises, millions of kids and their parents live in poverty, and we have food banks to give them a meal a day.

Charles Dickens would look at the country today and think nothing much had changed since he was alive.

I don't buy the austerity message anymore. We live in the 5th wealthiest country on earth, but you wouldn't know it if you walked around with your eyes open. It's time the rich paid more in and took less out.

I'm voting Labour, and I couldn't give a stuff if all the Tory's say we can't afford it.

I think we can, and I'm not going to be brainwashed by their messages anymore.

Maybe your should look into politics more because even though some aspects of what you've said are true, other aspects have never been better. Unemployment is at ridiculous low levels, the economy is doing really well, City's are growing quicker than they ever have and Manchester especially really is becoming a northern powerhouse.

We can defend ourselves and Labour want to reduce defence so I'm not sure where you've got that idea from.

Also the rich pay a ridiculous amount in, don't ever let socialists tell you any different.

Society is far from perfect but it's not how you suggest and moving away from a strong economy certainly isn't the answer.
 
I haven't read the thread. Truth be told, I'm not really interested in politics. I'm not listening to any of the debates on TV. I work nights when the politicians are asleep and I'm earning my money. The debates I hear on the radio are like kids squabbling in the playground, so I change channels and listen to something more adult, which usually takes about 5 minutes.

I discovered that the last time there was an election.

I have no political party I support unreservedly, but I will, for the first time in my life, be voting Labour, and the reasons for me are quite simple.

I am fed up to the back teeth with austerity.

I don't know how long the Tories have been in power now, possibly 7 or 8 years, but I'm 59 years old and everything is crumbling and in a worse state than I can recall in my lifetime.

The NHS is in a mess, the roads are potholed, millions of people are on zero hours contracts, care for the elderly is sinking into oblivion, the armed forces have been cut to the point where we can barely defend ourselves. Our schools are underfunded, we have to pay extra to have our rubbish taken away, we don't have enough Police on the streets, there is a housing crises, millions of kids and their parents live in poverty, and we have food banks to give them a meal a day.

Charles Dickens would look at the country today and think nothing much had changed since he was alive.

I don't buy the austerity message anymore. We live in the 5th wealthiest country on earth, but you wouldn't know it if you walked around with your eyes open. It's time the rich paid more in and took less out.

I'm voting Labour, and I couldn't give a stuff if all the Tory's say we can't afford it.

I think we can, and I'm not going to be brainwashed by their messages anymore.

But you have been brainwashed. Only not by the Tories or (as is usually suggested, the right wing media), but by the the Guardian and the Labour party, into thinking that we live in country that's in ruins and that everything they want to do can be paid for by increasing taxes. It can't and it won't.
 
Agree mate. It's so open to abuse. What do you do if you walk in the booth, give your name & address and then get told your vote has already been cast?
It's a very quaint, British way of doing things, but it's ridiculously anachronistic. A pencil attached to a string ffs! There is simply no reason why votes cannot be cast online. None whatsoever.
 
Don't recall receiving one yet. Unless the kids have moved it or chucked it. Do I need it or can I just take my driving licence

Even with no polling card you don't actually need any form of ID or utility bill. You can just give your name and that's it.
 
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