General Election June 8th

[jay_mcfc]

Really? The single most uninformed, disgusting thing you've ever seen on this thread?

Do you respond to everything with hyperbole? Emptional outbursts aren't usually the sign of an informed, logical viewpoint either, my friend.

You sound like an absolute moron. Emotional - yes. Hyperbolic - No. Go do the research if you want to go around spouting that kind of stuff.

 

[mayo31]

Fuck off Steve ;-)

No need to out people like that

Get back in the kitchen

 

[Metal Biker]

But we're told that nuclear weapons are the ultimate deterrent and that we need them to stop other people nuking us. So if someone nukes us without us carrying out the first strike, then they clearly aren't that much of a deterrent are they, So they'll have failed in that case and there's little point in using them.

Firing a nuke at your enemy is essentially you saying "Do we hate our enemy enough that we kill ourselves?"

 

[Metal Biker]

You sound like an absolute moron. Emotional - yes. Hyperbolic - No. Go do the research if you want to go around spouting that kind of stuff.

Then stop talking to me if I upset you so much.

 

[Uptop]

I can't seriously believe this is the biggest talking point of the election now. Fucking nuclear war. The NHS is at breaking point, rent and house prices are out of control, people can't afford to feed their families, public services being cut left right and centre but no a hypothetical situation of a retaliatory nuke is the biggest issue this country has today.

Agree

 

[BlueAnorak]

Corbyn = Chocolate Fireguard when it comes to defence.

 

[Metal Biker]

The casualties on Okinawa sort of decided it for the Americans the war had to be ended without losing hundreds of thousands with an invasion of mainland Japan, the bomb did that with the added bonus of saving the Allied POWs they were preparing to murder.

I think it was the whole Pacific Campaign that helped influence as well. Absolute bloodbaths on every island.

 

[cibaman]

There is no direct correlation between corporate tax rates and growth. It's as simple as that. Growth depends on a number of factors, in which corporate taxation may play a part. One linked factor is how much companies invest when they have higher retained profits but as productivity has largely been stagnant in the UK, while corporation tax has fallen, that hasn't been happening. So clearly companies have been saving cash rather than investing it. That doesn't help anyone.

Spain's rate is 28% yet their growth was higher than ours in 2016. Growth was also far higher when corporate tax rates were double what they are now.

Is there a correlation between rapidly increasing corporate tax rates and growth?

The 26% rate itself wouldn't be the problem, its the increase from 19% to 26%. Even that might not be a killer, if business could be certain that that's as bad as it gets. But Labour's manifesto makes it clear that business and the wealthy will will underwrite their spending plans. If 26% doesn't deliver the required revenue, what next? 30%? 35%

The UK has just become a volatile economy as far as business is concerned, because we're probably leaving the the EU single market and customs union. Labour plan to compoound that by making us a volatile tax regime. Madness.

 

[Danamy]

Just to be clear here, if the UK were hit by a first strike can somebody explain what are the benefits to retaliation that will kill millions?

I've never understood this. It can't be to prevent us getting hit, because we've already been hit. It can't be to stop a war because a nuclear war by definition won't last long enough to matter.

Why? Why are people so desperate for It? Petty revenge? You want to slaughter millions and risk a global climate change event on the scale of the dinosaurs mass extinction because some maniac bombed us?

Somebody has to explain this. It makes no sense at all. I can only presume people haven't thought this through.

English mentality, if we're going down at least get one dig in......

 

[MCFC1993]

Just to be clear here, if the UK were hit by a first strike can somebody explain what are the benefits to retaliation that will kill millions?

I've never understood this. It can't be to prevent us getting hit, because we've already been hit. It can't be to stop a war because a nuclear war by definition won't last long enough to matter.

Why? Why are people so desperate for It? Petty revenge? You want to slaughter millions and risk a global climate change event on the scale of the dinosaurs mass extinction because some maniac bombed us?

Somebody has to explain this. It makes no sense at all. I can only presume people haven't thought this through.

I'm trying to make a point so similar to what you're saying but it's so hard to word it right. I get the need for a deterrent, I get the need for a leader to say they will use them or at least lie about using them.

However, either as a first option or a retaliation strike the final result is equally grim.

 

[Metal Biker]

The thing is I absolutely agree that Trident is necessary whilst there are nuclear bombs in this world, along will a leader willing to use them or at least be confident enough about lying about using them.

It shouldn't play as bigger part in this election as it did in that debate though, there are far bigger issues in this country than nuclear issues.

The reality is the Eastern Europe would wipe us out and we'd wipe them out and then what, we'd all be dead thinking 'how the fuck did we (humans)' get to a point where we had to wipe each other out.

Pretty much the idea of MAD, hence why it hasn't happened, especially when you consider the US has 55 times the number of nukes we do as an 'additional' deterrant.

BTW can you hear the Ink Spots...?

 

[cibaman]

Or they have changed sides since the audience was 'picked' - I agree the beeb cannot be trusted. They never do things balanced. If they called they go totally the other way except for City stories

We have a lot of floating voters nowadays since the Blair days, that is my experience

If they'd just changed sides they wouldnt be whooping and hollering

 

[Blue Hefner]

Firing a nuke at your enemy is essentially you saying "Do we hate our enemy enough that we kill ourselves?"

There are plenty of people who kill themselves for a/the cause

The chance of us being hit by a nuclear bomb in the foreseeable future, never mind next parliament, are minuscule. There are far more pressing issues

That said if it came to it if I'm sure we would use them, regardless of who the PM is

 

[Danamy]

Absolute bullocks most people can feed their families, its fucking nonsense to suggest otherwise you fucking wanker

You obviously can't debate without dishing out insults so have a break from the thread for a few days and have a think about it.

It's not the first one either, I've had to delete 3 other posts from you tonight

 

[BlueAnorak]

I should also point out that having Nukes have other uses:
1. To make sure the US keeps it's promises to the NATO treaty.
2. To make the use of WMD by loony states much more unlikely.
3. (Joke) To defend against the French.

Unilateral Nuclear disarmament doesn't work! (See Ukraine for details.)
Multilateral is great if you can get it - but that's unlikely.

 

[i kne albert davy]

Tell me truthfully how he described the war ?

No glory in it, frightened all the time they were in the air, felt some guilt on being on the Dresden attacks, but shortly after wars end while ferrying POWs back was taken around Belsen said he knew then what he'd done was right. Still got is flight log in the loft

 

[worsleyweb]

I think the food banks are a bit overstated on here.

 

[Don Karleone]

Absolute bullocks most people can feed their families, its fucking nonsense to suggest otherwise you fucking wanker

Are you always this angry?

 

[blueparrot]

English mentality, if we're going down at least get one dig in......

You know what in this case I think youre right it's more an English thing than British. Its a need to be seen punching above our weight, plenty of other countries go on in their own way and don't see themselves as a target of a nuclear attack.

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

I think the food banks are a bit overstated on here.

It's mainly nurses that use food banks you know.