General Election June 8th

Who will you vote for at the General Election?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 189 28.8%
  • Labour

    Votes: 366 55.8%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 37 5.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 8 1.2%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 23 3.5%
  • Other

    Votes: 33 5.0%

  • Total voters
    656
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So
nuclear - not arsed
IRA - not arsed
Anything else I'm missing?
Not much, he's been right on all the things you list and continued to be right on them tonight, so no, you've not missed much. Do try and keep up though. You might find Teresa not back-tracking at some point. Unlikely, but worth keeping an eye out for.
 
It's not nitpicking though is it, it's a serious matter about national defence and having a leader showing willingness to continue our nuclear deterrant stance as a sign of his leadership.

It's something Labour MP's do with Tory MP's often; they said this back in year nought plonk, and I disapprove of it! They must still believe it now! Pressure them on it!
He disapproved of Britain having a nuclear deterrant, now he's going to be in charge of them. Will he get rid of them? Would he use them? Answers please.
Every government won't know what the fuck to do when that particular shit hits the fan. We'd all be fucked regardless imo. You wanna make sure we bombed them back while you're cowering under your desk/newspaper?
 
America has nothing to do with our own stance of deterrance, especially one our own Prime Minister is expected to take.

You're right, it is getting ridiculous that people keep thinking this is about nuclear war when it isn't.
Are you seriously looking to put in power someone who based on intelligence reports indicating possible attack by another nuclear nation would preemptively launch nuclear weapons or are you just looking for someone who will say that they will do it to comfort you ?

As recent history has shown even conventional wars fought on intelligence reports which in many cases turn up to be flawed harm all for generations you are looking for a candidate who is gung-ho about starting nuclear war based on a threat.

By the way once it starts it will not matter who started it - whether it is the nutcase you have elected or the nutcase in North Korea - it will only be a matter of minutes who dies first.
 
Are you seriously looking to put in power someone who based on intelligence reports indicating possible attack by another nuclear nation would preemptively launch nuclear weapons or are you just looking for someone who will say that they will do it to comfort you ?

As recent history has shown even conventional wars fought on intelligence reports which in many cases turn up to be flawed harm all for generations you are looking for a candidate who is gung-ho about starting nuclear war based on a threat.

By the way once it starts it will not matter who started it - whether it is the nutcase you have elected or the nutcase in North Korea - it will only be a matter of minutes who dies first.
What would stop anyone using a nuclear weapon knowing that they would not endure any consequences for doing so?
 
Every government won't know what the fuck to do when that particular shit hits the fan. We'd all be fucked regardless imo. You wanna make sure we bombed them back while you're cowering under your desk/newspaper?
You haven't answered.

Will Corbyn get rid of our nuclear deterrant, thus ending our protection of NATO (Goodbye Team America) and would he refuse to use them during the time we removed them shoudl an incident occur that a nuclear threat was threatened against us?

Answers please.
 
I think this the first time we have ever agreed on anything.

All this bravado bullshit about bombing. Fuck sake. I wonder how every other country's citizens sleep at night without the umbrella of nukes, us six lucky countries enjoy?

So, some mad bastard sends a bomb to kill our innocent men women and children and I'm going to be happy or even willing to incinerate millions of other innocent human beings out of what? Revenge?

The cunts who fired it are safe in a bunker.

We are kept scared so we buy these fucking waste of money systems, that we don't need, to keep us safe from a threat that doesn't really exist, to kill people we don't know, just so some bunch of Yorkshire twats with shit football teams want to bomb to take the edge of living with that accent and being tight as fuck. :)

Laughable. Corbyn is right, we don't need them. The threats we face needs conventional and cyber defences.

Spare a thought for the poor Swedes this night. Lying in bed asking, why don't we have Trident?

How can we go on, but at least we don't have to push that button.

You couldn't make up the bulkshit people swallow to help spend all our money on a dick enlarger.

We ain't got an empire anymore, why don't we just chill the fuck out and stop marching to the bomb manufacturers beat?
I think the real question should have been, if another NATO country is struck would we relaliate, lets say Russia on Germany a far more logical target with no nuclear capability of their own, becomes more of a head scratcher in my view.
 
What would stop anyone using a nuclear weapon knowing that they would not endure any consequences for doing so?
Do you think if you attack North Korea with a nuclear weapon - China and Russia will just stand around. Conversely if US or UK or NATO are attacked do you think there would be days of meetings or even hours of discussion about what to do ? There are systems in place which would retaliate within minutes if not seconds. If any nuclear power is hit by nuclear weapon they will not be waiting to see if they are hit again and get completely wiped out so systems are built to retaliate immediately. That is why once it starts do not see how you stop it.
 
9 countries in the world have them and 187 do not have them. What has kept those 187 safe from being bombed, knowing there are 'no consequences' if they are?
Mutual Assured Destruction.
S.A.L.T.
S.T.A.R.T
New S.T.A.R.T
UN IAEA which prohibits nations making nuclear weapons (hence all the anger at North Korea)

Every measure has been made to reduce the number of nuclear weapons from increasing and more importantly from nations from having them, but MAD ensures that nobody who does is foolish enough to use them against another. Russia annexed Crimea without using them, what stopped them? MAD.
 
You haven't answered.

Will Corbyn get rid of our nuclear deterrant, thus ending our protection of NATO (Goodbye Team America) and would he refuse to use them during the time we removed them shoudl an incident occur that a nuclear threat was threatened against us?

Answers please.
No politician is gonna say whether he/she would press the button.. on telly.. a week before the election. It is - at present - a waste of breath to argue it I think. Whoever gets in power will change half the things they said before anyway. Which is why, if I could be arsed, I would vote for May cos she looks a bit like mum.
 
Do you think if you attack North Korea with a nuclear weapon - China and Russia will just stand around. Conversely if US or UK or NATO are attacked do you think there would be days of meetings or even hours of discussion about what to do ? There are systems in place which would retaliate within minutes if not seconds. If any nuclear power is hit by nuclear weapon they will not be waiting to see if they are hit again and get completely wiped out so systems are built to retaliate immediately. That is why once it starts do not see how you stop it.
Thanks for proving my point.

M.A.D. ensures nobody will use them and any threats about using them are soon shut down. Kind of hinders the point of deterrance if you insist you'd never consider using them against an aggressor who would.
 
It's not nitpicking though is it, it's a serious matter about national defence and having a leader showing willingness to continue our nuclear deterrant stance as a sign of his leadership.

It's something Labour MP's do with Tory MP's often; they said this back in year nought plonk, and I disapprove of it! They must still believe it now! Pressure them on it!
He disapproved of Britain having a nuclear deterrant, now he's going to be in charge of them. Will he get rid of them? Would he use them? Answers please.
I think he's stated quite clearly that he won't, doesn't mean that he doesn't change his mind, on the flip side so could the Tories.
 
The good old unbiased Bbc



The BBC are supposed to be impartial I am surprised they allowed the angry socialist any air time, the lyrics of the song is littered with untruths and nonsense. It's not for the BBC to run as a propaganda media for the momentum branch of the labour party.
 
No politician is gonna say whether he/she would press the button.. on telly.. a week before the election. It is - at present - a waste of breath to argue it I think. Whoever gets in power will change half the things they said before anyway. Which is why, if I could be arsed, I would vote for May cos she looks a bit like mum.
May has, Cameron did.

Corbyn doesn't have to say he'd 'use them' in the sense it would be his go to method of dealing with any situation regarding defence, just that he'd continue the UK's nuclear deterrance stance. So far, nada.
 
I think he's stated quite clearly that he won't, doesn't mean that he doesn't change his mind, on the flip side so could the Tories.
I wonder if people actually think i'm critical of Corbyn for not saying he would?

People were asking 'why is this an issue for some people? and i've been trying to explain their point of view. People's defence of Corbyn on here is almost like he's a cult leader.
 
A statement from a weak and wobbly under pressure leader must act as a great deterrent I guess who has a "liar liar" song out after her.
Same question, repeated, since you won't answer it directly. I can tell you admire Corbyn in that respect.
 
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