General Election June 8th

[Tanzeylee]

not what the Police say.................. and I know who's story I believe.

You obviously don't live on a council estate

 

[bluethrunthru]

You obviously don't live on a council estate

meaning? If you see a lot of what is going on at the moment quite a few people of interest who get arrested don't live on a council estate either !! Thats a dumb thing to say. Born and brought up on one by the way and I know how these things work. When we had beat bobby's on our estate they spoke to people and got loads of intelligence to go with their tea and biscuits - where I live now has beat bobbies and PCSO's and there is great relationship and liaison with our local law enforcement agencies. We however are the fortunate few - our local bobby comes and meets the neighbourhood watch committee in his own time unpaid as funding has been withdrawn but as he says its an invaluable tool

 

[m7mcfc]

Non. I read the Labour Party Manifesto, John McDonnell's comments on how he is going to pay for it, read the Facts sites on Corporation Tax revenues, applied probable scenarios and did the Maths.

BTW I voted Lib Dem 2 weeks ago by postal vote!

As I said I am not a political guy by any means I am a man of the streets. I just want to vote for a man/lady who makes things work for a fella who gets up at 5.00am every morning and does not get home till 7.00pm.

 

[Tanzeylee]

meaning? If you see a lot of what is going on at the moment quite a few people of interest who get arrested don't live on a council estate either !! Thats a dumb thing to say. Born and brought up on one by the way and I know how these things work. When we had beat bobby's on our estate they spoke to people and got loads of intelligence to go with their tea and biscuits - where I live now has beat bobbies and PCSO's and there is great relationship and liaison with our local law enforcement agencies. We however are the fortunate few - our local bobby comes and meets the neighbourhood watch committee in his own time unpaid as funding has been withdrawn but as he says its an invaluable tool

Yeah the neighbourhood watch and beat bobbies will sort out them bloody terrorist

 

[CitizenTID]

If I may, in a political context:

I think the repetition of "terrorism has no religion," "terrorism is madness and nothing else" type tweets I've seen tonight are, whilst right, an issue in that it encourages us to paint no target. The latter is as if terrorism is just random and can't be pinpointed.

It can be pinpointed, obviously, as has every kind in the past, including when it has fallen under the category of "Irish terrorism." You have to localise the threat, unfortunately for them, the first stage of that is identifying the threat from the middle east and their ideology which falls under Islam. Not pinpointing it is a dangerous precedent toward just having to accept it without being proactive about mitigating it in advance. Of course saying one thing to the public whilst acting in another is necessary for the security services in times like this when doing the proactive work but we can't let this mindset influence the proactive domestic policing policies and prevent efforts as it'd be completely ineffective.

Publicly, t's a hard balance obviously as clearly some with emotionally charged reactions need reminding of reality.

 

[Vic]

Just a heavy police presence (which would need the army backup they called last week again) is sensible. Can't rule out potential for anything that day

maybe I'm not remembering too well but at one time we had enough police to put a beat bobby at nearly every polling station.

 

[SWP's back]

Only people it'd suit is the Tories. Not trying to be a dick but it's true, no reason to stop it.

You couldn't be more wrong.

The Tories would prefer the election last week if they could, owing to their appalling campaign and the gap closing in the polls. Waiting a few weeks would be suicide.

 

[The perfect fumble]

#irony

Your posts, for the most part, are just a stream of consciousness not tethered to very much.

 

[The perfect fumble]

You seem so bitter and hating of everything about our great nation, I really have no idea why you stick around.

To save it.

 

[Blue Mooner]

This Corbyn chap cannot be our PM on Friday morning if he is not prepared to put the interests of protecting the citizens of the UK over his pacifist ideals. It would be great if every citizen of the world shared the same values as Corbyn but this is the real world we all live in. We need a leader who understands there are evil people out to do us harm and we need a strong leader to protect us.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-34836582/jeremy-corbyn-opposes-shoot-to-kill-policy

 

[stonerblue]

He's usual bollocks. Guessing he's started drinking earlier than stonerblue managed yesterday. So that's an accomplishment I suppose.

Er, i'll have you know i was working from 9 til 4pm on Friday and not a drop passed my lips until 4.05pm.

 

[SWP's back]

Er, i'll have you know i was working from 9 til 4pm on Friday and not a drop passed my lips until 4.05pm.

;-)

 

[NorthamptonBlue]

Is it still against the law to inform people how you have voted before the result is announced?

I think it's covered under freedom of speech, so no.

 

[Chippy_boy]

To save it.

Why don't you stand as an MP? You might even get a vote or two.

 

[SWP's back]

I think it's covered under freedom of speech, so no.

"Section 66A of the Representation of the People Act 1983, as well as banning exit polls, states that it is illegal to publish “any statement relating to the way in which voters have voted at the election where that statement is (or might reasonably be taken to be) based on information given by voters after they have voted”.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Errr no.............. you can spin my point how you like matey but at no point did I suggest that somehow what has happened was to benefit May financially - maybe you know something I don't?

Are you denying that Police numbers are down 20k and Rudd justified this the other night by saying they had moved to combating terror via cyber crime. The balancing public spending argument is spurious - debt has spiralled under this Govt - the date to clear austerity keeps being put back - the "efficiency savings" are all part of a doctrinal narrative to cut "big government" which the Tories see as bad. The reality is radicalisation takes place in communities which are now bereft of community Police officers to garner intelligence on the ground.

Debt has of course risen whilst we have a deficit. To say it has "spiralled" is misleading, that impiies its been rising uncontrollably or at an increasing rate, neither of which is true. The rate of rise has been coming down and down and down.

And yet you would have it spiral by spending even more money we don't have. That is the reality.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

All this talk about austerity. Why don't we all go out and buy a Ferrari and a new house in Hale worth £3m. That's right we can't afford it and it's the same for the country. We can't afford to spend on everything we need so something has to give. It's simple economics isn't it.

 

[geoff clipp]

All this talk about austerity. Why don't we all go out and buy a Ferrari and a new house in Hale worth £3m. That's right we can't afford it and it's the same for the country. We can't afford to spend on everything we need so something has to give. It's simple economics isn't it.

That's definitely simple, but that isn't how economics really works. By your logic, we shouldn't have mortgages at all, be that for a £3m house in Hale or a £70k house in Heywood.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

That's definitely simple, but that isn't how economics really works. By your logic, we shouldn't have mortgages at all, be that for a £3m house in Hale or a £70k house in Heywood.

That's not the case as if you can repay the mortgage it isn't a problem. However if you have to take another loan to finance the mortgage that's when the problems begin. Your mortgage is paid but then how do you afford to pay the loan you have taken out to pay the mortgage?

 

[geoff clipp]

That's not the case as if you can repay the mortgage it isn't a problem. However if you have to take another loan to finance the mortgage that's when the problems begin. Your mortgage is paid but then how do you afford to pay the loan you have taken out to pay the mortgage?

It wasnt a great analogy in the first place to be honest as you're comparing consumer debt with government debt. I just don't think it's all that helpful throwing phrases like "simple economics" around when in fact it's a massively complex subject. There are respected economists on both sides of the argument. Many people who know far more on the subject than anyone on here would argue that austerity can squeeze the last signs of life out of an already flat-lining economy while more borrowing can stimulate it. Badly managed austerity can crash an economy just as easily as unchecked borrowing. Whatever the course of action (and there are decent arguments on both sides of the debate) it has to be done carefully.