General Election June 8th

[urban genie]

Gonna put this comment here rather than London brisge thread as it isn't suppose dto get political over there.

May has just made her response speach and I am feeling no confidence in her habdling this situation in the slightest, all her solutions are just reactionary and nothing to make me feel more assured.
we will give them longer prison sentences, these peolpe are radicals prepared to die for a cause, threatening to lock them up longer if caught means nowt.
Cracking down on the internet, though right for those suspected, to her will be a crack down on all not just suspected terrorist.
Having a conversation with our communities, and asking the hard questions, we should be doing that already anyway.
No mention of getting to the route causes and cutting of the supply and influences that lead to this.
Enough is enough - another empty soundbite.

I am not even gonna make this a point about left or right as today I really.don't care about that, and who should be in power come friday, but even if it's the tories May has to go.

 

[Chippy_boy]

The idea that the Government have the ability to shut down terrorist communication online is one only held by old people who can't set the time on the video and do not understand that what she's suggesting is literally impossible.

She's just lost the vote of anybody who understands technology.

Well I do (I've worked in IT for 35 years) and she's not lost mine. You've made posts like the one above before and you seem very binary in your thinking. Completely stop encrypted communications, no of course they can't. But they can certainly shut down or block websites and stop casual browsing, which would help, would it not.

 

[Damocles]

Not preferred by everyone, probably including me. I'm more inclined to be persuaded to bring back torture.

This sums up modern Conservatism better than any focus group tested slogan ever could.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Why don't you stand as an MP? You might even get a vote or two.

Len Rum and I are on it, never fear....

 

[geoff clipp]

Not preferred by everyone, probably including me. I'm more inclined to be persuaded to bring back torture.

Well they'd still need to be safely apprehended before that could happen anyway.

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

Not a big fan of torture it's a step too far for me and there's no evidence it gives good intel anyway. Internment and deportation together with looking how religion sits within our society is another thing entirely.

 

[Damocles]

Well I do (I've worked in IT for 35 years) and she's not lost mine.

Working in IT has no bearing on whether you understand cryptography and hashing algorithms.

Please explain for the non-literate audience how the British Government can crack 256 bit AES encryption protocols using a one time cypher, wrapped in a Twofish casing and transmitted through an onion transmission service.

I'm all ears.

If they cannot do this, they cannot stop or intercept terrorist messages or web browsing.

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

Working in IT has no bearing on whether you understand cryptography and hashing algorithms.

Please explain for the non-literate audience how the British Government can crack 256 bit AES encryption protocols using a one time cypher, wrapped in a Twofish casing and transmitted through an onion transmission service.

I'm all ears.

If they cannot do this, they cannot stop or intercept terrorist messages or web browsing.

Is the answer "Hit it with a brick and set it on fire"?

 

[Chippy_boy]

you looking in a mirror mate?

Success - food banks, wage stagnation, housing market out of control ............... oh yes all Labours fault I forgot. They took over a bad position and made it worse.

You are not thinking straight.

1. The Tories have managed to turn the economy around and made it better. Unemployment was rising when they took over; they've brought it right down. The deficit was £170bn and they've brought that down too. They've ringfenced and protected spending on key services and in the case of the NHS, increased it significantly. So this "they've made it worse" is political lobbying, not fact.

2. You seem to not understand what austerity means. It means pulling your reigns in and making cuts, spending less. What it does not mean is spending more on everything. No-one likes austerity and I get the fact that people are pissed off at wage stagnation and other things like food banks. But spending more on everything is not possible whilst trying to slow the supertanker of overspending that this government inherited from Labour.

You simply cannot have your cake and eat it, as many on here want to do. You can either criticise the Tories for not getting us back into budget surplus yet (fair enough, that would be a fair argument if you want to go down that route) OR you can criticise them for not getting rid of food banks and not spending more on the NHS.

But you cannot simultaneously criticise both. If we'd spent even more on our public services, the deficit would be even higher and the debt even higher still.

So which is it. Take your pick and stop flip-flopped about whether they should have spent more or cut more. Which do you choose, because you cannot have both.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Working in IT has no bearing on whether you understand cryptography and hashing algorithms.

Please explain for the non-literate audience how the British Government can crack 256 bit AES encryption protocols using a one time cypher, wrapped in a Twofish casing and transmitted through an onion transmission service.

I'm all ears.

If they cannot do this, they cannot stop or intercept terrorist messages or web browsing.

There's no point because you clearly cannot read.

Let me help you, I'll quote what I said again:

"you seem very binary in your thinking. Completely stop encrypted communications, no of course they can't. But they can certainly shut down or block websites and stop casual browsing, which would help, would it not."

 

[Magicpole]

Is the answer "Hit it with a brick and set it on fire"?

Does that question need to be asked?

Obvious, you look at that situation. Immediately realise you don't even understand the question, go out to your shed and get a large hammer and can of petrol, the rest we all know.

 

[SWP's back]

This sums up modern Conservatism better than any focus group tested slogan ever could.

I'd report this but what's the point when you're a mod.

Maybe @blueinsa or @Danamy can have a look anyway.

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

Does that question need to be asked?

Obvious, you look at that situation. Immediately realise you don't even understand the question, go out to your shed and get a large hammer and can of petrol, the rest we all know.

I can't afford the petrol due to austerity and the govt doesn't trust the average citizen with a hammer big enough to put a dent in an orange. I'll have to be more inventive.

 

[SWP's back]

Working in IT has no bearing on whether you understand cryptography and hashing algorithms.

Please explain for the non-literate audience how the British Government can crack 256 bit AES encryption protocols using a one time cypher, wrapped in a Twofish casing and transmitted through an onion transmission service.

I'm all ears.

If they cannot do this, they cannot stop or intercept terrorist messages or web browsing.

I'd imagine that such things can't be stopped. Like stopping people accessing child porn on the deep web may be difficult to stop as well.

But surely the government could make it an offence to even view such websites if they don't already.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Working in IT has no bearing on whether you understand cryptography and hashing algorithms.

Please explain for the non-literate audience how the British Government can crack 256 bit AES encryption protocols using a one time cypher, wrapped in a Twofish casing and transmitted through an onion transmission service.

I'm all ears.

If they cannot do this, they cannot stop or intercept terrorist messages or web browsing.

They'll just ask Donald Trump to turn off the UK bit of the internet when he turns it off in the states. Not as difficult as you thought...

 

[Chippy_boy]

I'd imagine that such things can't be stopped. Like stopping people accessing child porn on the deep web may be difficult to stop as well.

But surely the government could make it an offence to even view such websites if they don't already.

I've been saying the same for ages.

Damo's point is that you cannot crack well-encrypted comms (with today's silicon-based computing power at least) and he's right about that. But you can block websites, get them removed from Google search results and make anyone who is absolutely determined, to try a bit harder. This won't stop everybody of course, but the 14 year old kid in his bedroom might not see the worst sort of material in the first place if its not on public display on the internet. So he may never become motivated to start using Tor or other techniques.

It could only be a positive thing I think, to block simple access to such undesirable material.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I use telepathic mind waves that can't be traced.

I think your own mind has trouble decoding them half the time ;-)

 

[Magicpole]

I think your own mind has trouble decoding them half the time ;-)

That's half the fun. :)

 

[Chippy_boy]

Not a big fan of torture it's a step too far for me and there's no evidence it gives good intel anyway. Internment and deportation together with looking how religion sits within our society is another thing entirely.

It wasn't a serious suggestion on my part.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Yeah, because the country has done terribly for the past 6 years hasn't it. What with the strong growth (until Brexit), record employment levels

I am not rich PB. In fact I've been unemployed for 12 months.

I sincerely hope you get sorted out Chippy. But given your fairly strident support for the Tories I don't understand exactly what this government has done for you? Surely you'd be better off under a government that is promising to kick-start the economy instead of sucking yet more life out of it.

I've made the point before about growth. It hasn't been "strong" as it's not been underpinned by the right fundamentals such as real wage growth and productivity improvements.