No I said it's a totally different thing. The Irish wanted more say in their own country, they were willing to sit down and talk it through. Isis want to destroy our way of life, they don't want to negotiate
General Election June 8th
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As we're on a football forum I liken the Tories performance in the election to being 4-0 up at halftime, when the election was called, to drawing 4-4 now. We are entering injury time and they will probably sneak a win. It will however not particularly feel like a win if they dont get the big magority they expected.
I predict lots of fallout in the Tory party. And they'll be looking for a new manager by the autumn.
I predict lots of fallout in the Tory party. And they'll be looking for a new manager by the autumn.
I agree - there are a few on here doing that - the usual suspects mainly
But back to my post which is just a simple statement of the truth.
You do not like it because, IMO, - like so much propaganda put out by the obsessive left on this thread recently it exposes the reality behind Corbyn's views rather than the gloss being recently applied - for as you say: seeking to gain political points
With regard to Shoot to Kill he said as recently as November that:
"...........he is "not happy" with the shoot-to-kill policy in the event of a terror attack in the UK......"
The truth is a bitch isn't it
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Avoidance of question duly noted.
We dont know, you are into the realms of what if.
Back in the real world we are were we are and even if you had voted yes for everyone we are not in a good place.
So on balance he has probably been right to try and stop us going down this route.
Looking at the terror bils.
Terrorism Act 2000
May: Absent from the final vote (there was no Second Reading)
Corbyn: Voted against it
Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Act 2001
May: Voted for it at Second Reading; absent at Third Reading
Corbyn: Voted against it
Fourteen-day detention
May: Voted against it
Corbyn: Voted against it
Control Orders
May: Voted against it
Corbyn: Voted against it
ID cards
May: Voted against it
Corbyn: Voted against it
Ninety-day detention
May: Voted against the 90-day aspect. She voted for it at the Third Reading after major changes
Corbyn: Voted against at every stage
Counter-terrorism Act 2008
May: Absent from the vote
Corbyn: Voted against it
Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Act
May: Voted for it
Corbyn: Voted against it
Theresa May, as home secretary, introduced the new regime saying it would be more focused and targeted than control orders.
Justice and Security Act 2013
May: Voted for it at Second Reading; absent at Third Reading
Corbyn: Voted against it
The Investigatory Powers Act 2016
Referred to as the "snooper's charter" by critics, this legislation allowed for the bulk interception of communications.
May: Voted for it
Corbyn: Absent from the vote
Seems U turn Theresa was a naysayer too plenty of times.
MillionMilesAway
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"Trustees rejected the idea there was a "deliberate attempt to mislead audiences", but said the broadcast was "not duly accurate" because it presented "an answer Mr Corbyn had given to a question about 'shoot to kill' as though it were his answer to a question he had not in fact been asked"."
Context is a bitch too.
Context is a bitch too.
jay_mcfc
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Yes it does, listen to what he's said today. You sound desperate. At least the point scoring from the left is with good reason, you're just lying to suit your agenda. Do you really think under a Corbyn Govt the police wouldn't have killed those three suspects or are you just trying to score points?
Edit: Oh and why the fuck should he be 'happy' to kill them? The Govt should be happy to bring these cunts in and get as much info out of them as possible. That should always be the first option.
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+26 points.
jay_mcfc
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Holy shit!
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All her arrogance is coming back to bite her on the arse, no matter the result thursday she should be gone.
this sums it up for me though.
this sums it up for me though.
Why is he voting against them all though ? Some ok, but all ?
Gabriel
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Catchy slogans do have a tendency to stick in the mind. From the Police Federation in 2012.
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Yeah, but they got it from Donna Summer & Barbra Streisand....Catchy slogans do have a tendency to stick in the mind. From the Police Federation in 2012.
stonerblue
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Desperate - those exposing the reality of Corbyn LOL!!!!!
You are the one seeking - along with the other desperate ones here - to bury the old Corbyn and 're-brand' him.
Would that be because the real Corbyn would not be attractive to the majority of the UK public - would that be because the election is just a few days away and therefore you just want to suppress the reality of Corbyn for just a few days more??
We all saw him founder on his dealing with the drone strike on IS leaders - his now familiar avoidance and prevarication as he speaks about need to 'consider' all facts etc......
IS have claimed responsibility for Manchester - and now for London. Just what would most UK citizens want to happen if the US or UK forces had the opportunity to take their leaders out - I think that we all know that it would be a massive support for/of action - but what would Corbyn do????
We actually do not need to 'wonder' about the reality of what he would do - he was more clear on his view, - i.e. when not lying because he is in an election campaign - following the drone strike that took Jihadi John out - you know the guy that was delighting in having himself videoed cutting people's heads off.
Did he welcome the demise of that zealotry bastard or did he criticise the action???? Do you want to guess which one.
http://www.onenewspage.com/video/20151117/3566778/Jeremy-Corbyn-Criticizes-Shoot-to-Kill-Policy.htm
Anyway, as an observer only of the thread since the Manchester attack, I have seen the disgusting manner in which the obsessive lefties have been doing what I have just been accused off - using tragedy for political gain. I am just posting the truth of matters.
Also, having witnessed the postings over the last week or so, I know that I should not waste any effort in replying to any of those obsessive lefties that will not stint in any effort to deny the reality of Corbyn's stances simply for the political convenience of there being an election in a few days.
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Ok so I've looked into what he's opposed.
Corbyn's position on terror legislation
- Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Bill in 1984. It introduced police powers to arrest a person suspected of involvement in acts of terrorism connected to Northern Ireland. Looking back in 2011 he said: “It probably generated more support for those who wish to commit those acts than anything else, because it criminalised large numbers of people who had committed no criminal wrong.”
- Opposed the 1989 Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Bill, which proscribed the IRA and Irish National Liberation Army.
- Voted against the 2000 Terrorism Bill, which introduced police powers to stop and search anyone in a designated area without having to show reasonable suspicion for doing so.
- Opposed the 2006 Terrorism Bill, which outlawed the glorification of terrorism, cracked down on jihadists attending terror training camps and prohibited the circulation of terrorist publications.
- Opposed the introduction of Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures (TPIMs) in 2011. The measures, which replaced control orders, imposed restrictions on individuals suspected of being involved in terrorism but where there was insufficient evidence to prosecute them.
- Voted against the Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Act 2014, which provided authorities with emergency access to phone and internet records and required communications companies to retain data for 12 months.
His position on foreign wars
- As chairman of his constituency Labour Party, described the Falklands War in 1982 as a “Tory plot” in which unemployed men were sent to die.
- Spoke against the Gulf War, triggered following Saddam Hussein’s decision to invade Kuwait in August 1990.
- One of 13 Labour MPs who declined to force a vote on the bombing in Kosovo.
- Voted against the Iraq War 2003 and addressed the thousands of people who protested against the military intervention.
- Chaired the governing committee of the Stop the War Coalition, which was formed to oppose the Afghanistan War in 2001.
-In 2010 voted against the continued deployment of UK armed forces in Afghanistan.
Addressing a Stop The War Coalition conference in 2011, he told the crowd: “I’ve been involved in opposing anti-terror legislation ever since I first went into Parliament in 1983”.
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Now I get his stance on some of them. But does he speak for the people of just himself !! I just don't see how we can have a leader that is so closed minded and not willing to adopt a balanced approach.
Corbyn's position on terror legislation
- Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Bill in 1984. It introduced police powers to arrest a person suspected of involvement in acts of terrorism connected to Northern Ireland. Looking back in 2011 he said: “It probably generated more support for those who wish to commit those acts than anything else, because it criminalised large numbers of people who had committed no criminal wrong.”
- Opposed the 1989 Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Bill, which proscribed the IRA and Irish National Liberation Army.
- Voted against the 2000 Terrorism Bill, which introduced police powers to stop and search anyone in a designated area without having to show reasonable suspicion for doing so.
- Opposed the 2006 Terrorism Bill, which outlawed the glorification of terrorism, cracked down on jihadists attending terror training camps and prohibited the circulation of terrorist publications.
- Opposed the introduction of Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures (TPIMs) in 2011. The measures, which replaced control orders, imposed restrictions on individuals suspected of being involved in terrorism but where there was insufficient evidence to prosecute them.
- Voted against the Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Act 2014, which provided authorities with emergency access to phone and internet records and required communications companies to retain data for 12 months.
His position on foreign wars
- As chairman of his constituency Labour Party, described the Falklands War in 1982 as a “Tory plot” in which unemployed men were sent to die.
- Spoke against the Gulf War, triggered following Saddam Hussein’s decision to invade Kuwait in August 1990.
- One of 13 Labour MPs who declined to force a vote on the bombing in Kosovo.
- Voted against the Iraq War 2003 and addressed the thousands of people who protested against the military intervention.
- Chaired the governing committee of the Stop the War Coalition, which was formed to oppose the Afghanistan War in 2001.
-In 2010 voted against the continued deployment of UK armed forces in Afghanistan.
Addressing a Stop The War Coalition conference in 2011, he told the crowd: “I’ve been involved in opposing anti-terror legislation ever since I first went into Parliament in 1983”.
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Now I get his stance on some of them. But does he speak for the people of just himself !! I just don't see how we can have a leader that is so closed minded and not willing to adopt a balanced approach.
He had the power and opportunity to have supportive dialogue with all parties rather than just one...........
You are just ignoring the reality for convenience I would suggest
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It is interesting what all this will mean for the Labour party. I'm not sure if Labours poll gains are due to an increased appetite for social based policies or are just down to May's total and utter incompetence.
Even if not elected, it would be a result if Labour can finally say goodbye to the betrayal by Blair and his cronies.
stonerblue
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Corbyn said he would rather bring him to trial than kill him. Now, given the supposed wish of these twats to die for their cause, wouldn't locking the fucker up forever have been more of a 'punishment'?
And give over with all this 'lefty' this 'lefty' that bollocks.
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