General Election June 8th

Who will you vote for at the General Election?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 189 28.8%

  • Labour

    Votes: 366 55.8%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 37 5.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 8 1.2%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 23 3.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 33 5.0%
  • Total voters
    656
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mcfc1632 said:
I will take time to listen to those later and I will try to bring the objectivity that I suggest others need to demonstrate(which they have seemed to sadly lack) when considering things that do not gel with their own bias.

So I will deliberately try to set aside any immediate concerns that the statements of representatives of the FBU, TSSA and Unison, speaking in an orchestrated session alongside Keir Starmer could, whilst being essentially truthful, possibly be presented in a manner that reflects any bias of their own.

Also I will seek to set aside the repeated reasons why Conservative governments have needed to take undesirable action to cut costs when coming into power - and therefore where a lot of the real blame lies
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And that is all anyone can ask of you, thank you.
 
Silva_Spell said:
Clearly May has a lot to make up for and fix but she is not a complete loon like Corbyn and company. There's not enough time in the day to catalogue Corbyn, McConnell and Abbott's - at best - naive and appeasing attitude towards terror and national defence in general.

Labour would win this election if it wasn't led by these dodgy fuckers
Make Labour Sane Again
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The LWNJ's will not allow any such thinking on here - but there are a lot of traditional Labour voters (even me) that could vote Labour if it was not for these 'loons' leading the party at the moment. I could not vote for them this time as I want to leave the EU and unless the Conservatives win on Thursday that will not happen.

But I could in the future if they were not led by people so out of touch with the values of the majority of UK citizens. What pisses me off about Corbyn these recent weeks - and his motley crew - is that they get bigged up for being true to their beliefs etc. - where in fact they have been dissembling/prevaricating and if needed lying these last weeks in an attempt to secure votes - are they therefore not just as flawed as the more traditional politicians that they criticise?
 
mcfc1632 said:
The LWNJ's will not allow any such thinking on here - but there are a lot of traditional Labour voters (even me) that could vote Labour if it was not for these 'loons' leading the party at the moment. I could not vote for them this time as I want to leave the EU and unless the Conservatives win on Thursday that will not happen.
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Am I wrong in the belief that we are leaving the EU regardless now that Article 50 has been triggered?
 
BlueAnorak said:
In light of Jeremey's comments today about May resigning, one has to raise Jeremy's continual opposition to any sort of shoot-to-kill policy.
I'm no fan of May but one has to ask Jeremy, what would you have wanted the police to do on Saturday Night? Watch and let the terrorists continue their stab fest? If you have to shoot Jeremey, people die.
Seriously, the man is a complete and utter chocolate fireguard and is totally unfit to lead the country in a time of crisis.
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TBF - lots of people are not fans of May

But fuck - when you consider, what I see as the reality of the alternative - this time around its a no-brainer
 
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KenTheLandlord said:
This is exactly why we need Corbyn, that absolute pile of steaming shit, is illegal. Even may knew that.

The presence of British citizens in Syria fighting for Islamic State has complicated matters for the UK. Home Secretary Theresa May has said that the UK will not remove citizenship from IS fighters born in the UK as "it is illegal for any country to make its citizens stateless". But the UK government does have the power to remove citizenship from people either naturalised in the UK or those with dual citizenship if it believes their activities to be "seriously prejudicial to the vital interests of the UK". The law says that the Home Secretary should have a "reasonable belief" that those being stripped of their nationality will not become stateless. But Alison Harvey at the Immigration Law Practitioners' Association says that a reasonable belief is not enough of a safeguard.
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And yet this legislation is exactly the sort of legislation that might prevent something like the Manchester atrocity and prevent us having enemies of our country in our midst, yet Labour, who now proclaim that they would keep the British people safe, opposed the measure and yet they have the brass neck to call the Tories for reducing policing levels ! Complete and utter hypocrisy.

If you really want to 'truly' know the party that is looking at every measure possible to keep the British people safe then this is it. In light of recent events, the Labour party should hang their heads in shame, I truly believed it would only be the extreme end of their party (Corbynista's et al) that would oppose this legislation but it turns out it was the whole damn lot of them.

Now we know where the British Labour parties loyalties lie, and that is protecting the rights of extremists over the rights of the British people to live in safety and security in their own country.

I was frightened of this rabble getting in before this purely on economic grounds, now I'm absolutely terrified.
 
Blue Mooner said:
And yet this legislation is exactly the sort of legislation that might prevent something like the Manchester atrocity and prevent us having enemies of our country in our midst, yet Labour, who now proclaim that they would keep the British people safe, opposed the measure and yet they have the brass neck to call the Tories for reducing policing levels ! Complete and utter hypocrisy.

If you really want to 'truly' know the party that is looking at every measure possible to keep the British people safe then this is it. In light of recent events, the Labour party should hang their heads in shame, I truly believed it would only be the extreme end of their party (Corbynista's et al) that would oppose this legislation but it turns out it was the whole damn lot of them.

Now we know where the British Labour parties loyalties lie, and that is protecting the rights of extremists over the rights of the British people to live in safety and security in their own country.

I was frightened of this rabble getting in before this purely on economic grounds, now I'm absolutely terrified.
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Unbelievable you would hand our the ability to make up laws on the spot to a party that cannot even tell you when they can sort their debt out.
Anyhow, have you come up with sliding charge of terrorism yet?
 
Blue Mooner said:
And yet this legislation is exactly the sort of legislation that might prevent something like the Manchester atrocity and prevent us having enemies of our country in our midst, yet Labour, who now proclaim that they would keep the British people safe, opposed the measure and yet they have the brass neck to call the Tories for reducing policing levels ! Complete and utter hypocrisy.

If you really want to 'truly' know the party that is looking at every measure possible to keep the British people safe then this is it. In light of recent events, the Labour party should hang their heads in shame, I truly believed it would only be the extreme end of their party (Corbynista's et al) that would oppose this legislation but it turns out it was the whole damn lot of them.

Now we know where the British Labour parties loyalties lie, and that is protecting the rights of extremists over the rights of the British people to live in safety and security in their own country.

I was frightened of this rabble getting in before this purely on economic grounds, now I'm absolutely terrified.
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Do you understand the difference between being opposed to a piece of legislation and wanting amendments to it? Do you think David Davies wants to protect the rights of extremists?
 
Pie said:
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...allow-shoot-to-kill-exceptional-circumstances
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Yeah - will really support the police that

This 're-engineered conviction' of his comes conveniently only after he becomes Labour leader and therefore a possible PM candidate - so basically exposes his shallow nature that he will seemingly say anything to hide his real beliefs - he does so much of that now and there are some not able (or willing) to see through the dissembling.

But setting that aside - will this mean, if Corbyn's dissembling wins the day, that police officers when facing terrorists will have to make some decision on the spot of whether, as an individual, they might be putting their liberty at risk when defending citizens against the threat.

Let's just hope that they do not hesitate and take time to think through the way Corbyn has supported the investigation/prosecution of soldiers that have had to kill in the line of duty.
 
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The Labour Lobbyists are out in force on the thread today I see. The backhander from Putin must be a good one.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Top economists = Labour supporting economists. Increase Corp tax by anything over 1% a year and it's an instant recession and investment in UK PLC would dry up overnight.
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That's so absurd it's not worth of a reply. The Corp Tax would be 2% less than 2010, as has been covered by Tory supporters on here - there's many more considerations which is why everyone hasn't based themselves in Ireland already.
 
CitizenTID said:
That's so absurd it's not worth of a reply. The Corp Tax would be 2% less than 2010, as has been covered by Tory supporters on here - there's many more considerations which is why everyone hasn't based themselves in Ireland already.
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Stop throwing facts at them, it only serves to disorientate them.
It is also unfair.
 
KenTheLandlord said:
Unbelievable you would hand our the ability to make up laws on the spot to a party that cannot even tell you when they can sort Labour's debt out.
Anyhow, have you come up with sliding charge of terrorism yet?
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Corrected for accuracy. The Tories may well have sorted the debt out earlier had they not been held back by the Lib Dems and a bunch of socialists crying about austerity.

As it happens, in the end, I think the Tories have got the balance just right as to cut 'too far and too fast' could choke off the recovery. I think Labour had a point with this when they 'finally' stopped pretending (pre Corbyn) that there wasn't a problem with the UK's deficit as they did prior to leaving office.
 
At her press conference today May was invited by the Press four times to criticise Trump over his tweet which slagged off Sadiq Khan who of course as Mayor of London is a democratically elected representative of the British people.
She refused.
Disgraceful and weak.
 
Blue Mooner said:
Quote from Corbyn's speech:

'No government can prevent every terrorist attack. If an individual is determined enough and callous enough, sometimes they will get through'.

They got through in 7/7 in a much more sophisticated and devastating manner than any of the recent atrocities. Were there cuts then?

Blaming the Tories and police cuts is reprehensible in the extreme and blatant electioneering.
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Not to mention he started yesterday evening having agreed to not be campaigning yesterday.

If he does get in I will piss myself when the lefties on here realise what utter mugs they've been taken for. It's almost worth it.
 
mcfc1632 said:
The LWNJ's will not allow any such thinking on here - but there are a lot of traditional Labour voters (even me) that could vote Labour if it was not for these 'loons' leading the party at the moment. I could not vote for them this time as I want to leave the EU and unless the Conservatives win on Thursday that will not happen.

But I could in the future if they were not led by people so out of touch with the values of the majority of UK citizens. What pisses me off about Corbyn these recent weeks - and his motley crew - is that they get bigged up for being true to their beliefs etc. - where in fact they have been dissembling/prevaricating and if needed lying these last weeks in an attempt to secure votes - are they therefore not just as flawed as the more traditional politicians that they criticise?
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I would vote Labour if it wasn't for those 3, esp. Corbyn and McDonnell. They simply hate the west and so make excuse after excuse for those organisations who also hate the west, whether they be Russia, Iran, Hamas, the IRA and so on. He's cast as some kind of genuine politician, but he's one of the most deceitful, slippery characters I've ever seen involved in politics.
This country desperately needs a strong, sane Labour party. My hope is that the trend in the polls (a stain on this nation's reputation itself, nvm if he were to get into power) isn't reflected in the result. The far left needs to be swept out of Labour, for the good of Labour and, more importantly, the country.
 
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