General Election June 8th

[Machiavelli]

Rhetoric, demagoguery and truth are not seen together often.

I've just spotted them. ;)

 

[Blue Mooner]

Do you understand the difference between being opposed to a piece of legislation and wanting amendments to it? Do you think David Davies wants to protect the rights of extremists?

If this was the 'final' vote then any amendments to it could have been suggested prior to the final vote at the committee stage - which involves MP's from all parties, It would be at this point that any amendments could have been made to the bill. The fact that Labour didn't seek to get the bill amended in any way suggests they were against the whole premise of the bill.

I'm guessing David Davies voted with his own conscience, but he was in a minority in his own party. Labour on the other hand, voted overwhelmingly against legislation that could have kept the British people safer on the streets.

The fact that not one Labour party member thought this legislation was good, says everything you need to know about how tough they want to be on the perpetrators of terrorism.

The fact you continue to defend this speaks volumes about how blind you are prepared to be in your desperation for a Labour victory...

FWIW it's worth I don't for a minute think the Tory's get everything right but this potential Labour government strikes the fear of god into me.

 

[Magicpole]

If this was the 'final' vote then any amendments to it could have been suggested prior to the final vote at the committee stage - which involves MP's from all parties, It would be at this point that any amendments could have been made to the bill. The fact that Labour didn't seek to get the bill amended in any way suggests they were against the whole premise of the bill.

I'm guessing David Davies voted with his own conscience, but he was in a minority in his own party. Labour on the other hand, voted overwhelmingly against legislation that could have kept the British people safer on the streets.

The fact that not one Labour party member thought this legislation was good, says everything you need to know about how tough they want to be on the perpetrators of terrorism.

The fact you continue to defend this speaks volumes about how blind you are prepared to be in your desperation for a Labour victory...

FWIW it's worth I don't for a minute think the Tory's get everything right but this potential Labour government strikes the fear of god into me.

God doesn't exist so you'll be fine.

 

[mayo31]

God doesn't exist so you'll be fine.

Brilliant.

What he could have said was it would put the willies up him

 

[Magicpole]

Brilliant.

What he could have said was it would put the willies up him

Having the fear of a non existent threat is the way to go in a modern society.

Better that than the fear of big Tam that I know. Now, that's worse getting scared over. He's a fucking head case particularly with Tories. :)

 

[mcfc1632]

I would say it depends on what you would call a typical labour voter, any post late 80's would maybe lean towards the neo liberal new labour and see that as traditional labour, (amd I am not saying that is you btw I am on about other on social media that have said as much) some others would consider this manifesto and direction of the party as a return to traditional labour values.


I don't particulary think jezza is great, but the party values I was brought up on are back and that energises my belief labour can actually be a good force for the country.

I have only been eligable to vote since the 97 election, and this is the first time I feel hope when voting Labour again since

I am a 59 year old man that spent all my formative years in Eccles and Lower Broughton - from a family where any consideration of options to Labour was met by utter scorn. My grandfather (Salford docker) was 'violently left' and the family were brought up in his image.

I say this to seek to explain that I do believe that I have a good grounding/understanding of the values you speak of and I have voted Labour more times than any other party

I do not see any level of the necessary balance with Corbyn, Abbot et al to govern - I therefore (used) to see him as idealistic and principled but 'too extreme'.

I say 'used' to see him that way as I now believe that image has slipped and he now comes across as much as much of a lying politician as May, Blair etc.

Therefore - given that I am very pro-Leave - I could not possibly vote for him, especially now the mask as slipped

 

[Chippy_boy]

If he does get in I reckon we put you on watch for a few days.

Might be wise ;-)

More seriously, I've decided to leave you lot to chat amongst yourselves about how marvellous that pillock of a Labour leader is. You can have far more fun without me saying he's a dangerous and deluded moron who'll ruin the country.

Enjoy while you can!

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Do these posters ever check the facts before posting?

You'll have to explain this concept of "facts" to the Theresa May knicker-sniffers on here.

 

[Hamann Pineapple]

Stephen Hawking is voting Labour. Jim Davidson is voting Tory.

 

[mcfc1632]

You'll have to explain this concept of "facts" to the Theresa May knicker-sniffers on here.

Now that genuinely made me LOL

I started to think of the logical riposte - what would be the equivalent of a 'knickers-sniffer' relevant to Corbyn and Abbot?? - but then realised that was not a place that I wanted to go

 

[urban genie]

I am a 59 year old man that spent all my formative years in Eccles and Lower Broughton - from a family where any consideration of options to Labour was met by utter scorn. My grandfather (Salford docker) was 'violently left' and the family were brought up in his image.

I say this to seek to explain that I do believe that I have a good grounding/understanding of the values you speak of and I have voted Labour more times than any other party

I do not see any level of the necessary balance with Corbyn, Abbot et al to govern - I therefore (used) to see him as idealistic and principled but 'too extreme'.

I say 'used' to see him that way as I now believe that image has slipped and he now comes across as much as much of a lying politician as May, Blair etc.

Therefore - given that I am very pro-Leave - I could not possibly vote for him, especially now the mask as slipped

Ok and I too think that there is more to corbyn than his methodical, allotment, pacifist veggie image puts over.

The man is a self confessed bennite so I expect his true belief is to leave the EU, and I concur that abbot is a liability.

My hope is if labour win, some of the better experienced front benchers in the plp will end their self imposed sulk and offer to help run the government.

But I will take corbyn over tory rule.

 

[City Raider]

If this Govt has nothing to hide it needs to publish the Home Office terror funding report.

 

[CitizenTID]

You'll have to explain this concept of "facts" to the Theresa May knicker-sniffers on here.

+1

Facts are all over the place of Tory failures and deceit yet none of them want to believe them.

I'm actually approaching this very objective and non-biased. It's just facts relating to the Tories have me sounding like a life long Labour supporter.

 

[CitizenTID]

Have WikiLeaks released anything eye opening relating to our election? They seemed keen during the US and French.

 

[urban genie]

Stephen Hawking is voting Labour. Jim Davidson is voting Tory.

Einstien was a socialist too, did you know,
Phil Collins (RIP) Tory

 

[mayo31]

You'll have to explain this concept of "facts" to the Theresa May knicker-sniffers on here.

I could tell you a story about one P.Barnes and knicker sniffing

 

[bluethrunthru]

Avoidance of question duly noted.

We dont know, you are into the realms of what if.

Back in the real world we are were we are and even if you had voted yes for everyone we are not in a good place.
So on balance he has probably been right to try and stop us going down this route.

Looking at the terror bils.

Terrorism Act 2000

May: Absent from the final vote (there was no Second Reading)
Corbyn: Voted against it

Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Act 2001

May: Voted for it at Second Reading; absent at Third Reading
Corbyn: Voted against it

Fourteen-day detention

May: Voted against it
Corbyn: Voted against it

Control Orders

May: Voted against it
Corbyn: Voted against it

ID cards

May: Voted against it
Corbyn: Voted against it

Ninety-day detention

May: Voted against the 90-day aspect. She voted for it at the Third Reading after major changes
Corbyn: Voted against at every stage

Counter-terrorism Act 2008

May: Absent from the vote
Corbyn: Voted against it

Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Act

May: Voted for it
Corbyn: Voted against it

Theresa May, as home secretary, introduced the new regime saying it would be more focused and targeted than control orders.

Justice and Security Act 2013

May: Voted for it at Second Reading; absent at Third Reading
Corbyn: Voted against it

The Investigatory Powers Act 2016
Referred to as the "snooper's charter" by critics, this legislation allowed for the bulk interception of communications.

May: Voted for it
Corbyn: Absent from the vote

Seems U turn Theresa was a naysayer too plenty of times.

How dare you introduce an element of truth lol

 

[CitizenTID]

Not a direct source or citation but why would BAE pay a Saudi prince £1bn? I can only think to stoke wars for BAE to rake in profits? That's going down the conspiracy path though isn't it.

 

[CitizenTID]

Good to see Theresa May has her priorities straight



NOT

 

[Hamann Pineapple]

Have WikiLeaks released anything eye opening relating to our election? They seemed keen during the US and French.

Not really, saying Saudi funding ISIS and US and UK knew. Saudi threatened UK with terror attacks/withholding information when they were under investigation for bribery regards BAE contracts.