General Election June 8th

[bluethrunthru]

Who let her near a TV camera?

It is starting to look like neither side wants to lead on Brexit and so are trying to lose lol - the Tories put May in front of actual reporters and/or people to show how woeful she is then Labour counter with Diane Memory Like A Sieve Abbott to redress the balance !!

 

[SWP's back]

During the last election net migration into the UK had actually increased from 244,000 in 2010 to 330,000 in 2014 rather than being brought down to less than 100,000 as She and Cameron had committed, she was the minister responsible for making the government’s commitment a reality - on from that the backlog of finding failed asylum seekers had gone up, the number of foreign prisoners removed had gone down, and the number of illegal immigrants deported had also gone down.

I'm aware of the net migration figures.

Non-EU migration has indeed gone down. The government can't reduce EU migration whilst part of the EU.

 

[Chippy_boy]

It is starting to look like neither side wants to lead on Brexit and so are trying to lose lol - the Tories put May in front of actual reporters and/or people to show how woeful she is then Labour counter with Diane Memory Like A Sieve Abbott to redress the balance !!

I agree.

Cameron would have walked this. Likewise Chukka Umuna or even god forbid someone like Ed Balls. Jeremy is to the swing voter about as toxic as you can imagine, despite his popularity amongst the left. And May appears to be inept, whether that's the reality or not. She appears it, which is offputting enough.

 

[mancmackem]

Conservatives ramping up campaigning in East Yorkshire:

 

[mcfc1632]

Good move by Labour

Abbot pulled from a head to head debate with Rudd

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ws-interview-labour-shadow-home-a7774906.html

 

[BlueHammer85]

I'm aware of the net migration figures.

Non-EU migration has indeed gone down. The government can't reduce EU migration whilst part of the EU.

2016 Some 165,000 EU citizens arrived here in those 12 months compared to a similar number - 164,000 - of non-EU citizens.

The point being that the UK government can already control migration from outside the EU - and it's just as high as the numbers from inside the EU, which was one of the main reasons why people voted for Brexit.

She is has failed to control numbers from outside the EU

 

[jonmcity]

Those immigrants are picking the food you eat, Nursing the nation back to health, and helping the economy to grow.

 

[Gabriel]

I don't see how any party can actually control migration in a way that will meet the expectations of many of the electorate, be they employees or employers.

Some degree of EU migration will probably have to continue, though in a more controlled way, but any trade deals with countries such as China and India et al. will see these countries ask for freedom of migration/employment for their nationals in the UK. They know we'll want access to their markets, so it's something they'll inevitably use as leverage, and I just cannot see the numbers coming down, whoever is in power.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Those immigrants are picking the food you eat, Nursing the nation back to health, and helping the economy to grow.

I agree mate. Which is one of the reasons why I voted Remain.

As our population ages, we need an influx of young people to settle here, to earn money, get pay rises and promotions and earn more money. To do the jobs you suggest and to generate the taxation revenue needed to pay for our rising social care costs.

Cutting immigration to the "10's of thousands" is a stupid, undeliverable objective. Controlling immigration is fine - smoothing peaks and troughs and not allowing our services to be swamped before we can increase capacity. But setting a low limit like that is nutty.

There's many Tory policies I disagree with. But Labour's policy of "ruining the economy to the detriment of all of us" is even worse.

 

[JWBlueman]

Surely the trawling should be by Corbyn supporters to find evidence of his even-handedness and supportiveness of the Unionists side - that or people just giving up trying to re-write history for short-term politics gain

He was and is a member of the British parliament. A member of the British Labour Party. He IS the fucking unionist side.

He's just a man who realised even earlier than Margaret thatcher, John major, Tony Blair and bill Clinton that the only way to get a brokered peace in the north was to open a dialogue.

History has proven him correct. If he hadn't broken this ground, the peace process likely would never have happened and we'd now be fighting a war on terror on two fronts instead of one.

We have no way of knowing how many thousands of people owe their lives and their health to brave men of peace like Jeremy corbyn. Be thankful that we have men with his moral courage in politics. It makes it acceptable and possible for murderers like Blair to take the glory for the peace process that corbyn and others made possible.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Boris Johnson had a Diane Abbott of an interview on Radio 4 thus morning.
The bumbling idiot tried to have a go at Corbyn for voting against anti-terror legislation, which rapidly unravelled when The interviewer reminded him that he himself voted against anti-terrorism legislation!

 

[SWP's back]

2016 Some 165,000 EU citizens arrived here in those 12 months compared to a similar number - 164,000 - of non-EU citizens.

The point being that the UK government can already control migration from outside the EU - and it's just as high as the numbers from inside the EU, which was one of the main reasons why people voted for Brexit.

She is has failed to control numbers from outside the EU

How has she failed on non EU immigration?

It's come down hugely.

You say yourself it's now 164,000 - what was it in 2010?

 

[SWP's back]

Good move by Labour

Abbot pulled from a head to head debate with Rudd

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ws-interview-labour-shadow-home-a7774906.html

Good move but shows she's running scared.

Well.... waddling scared anyway.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

He was and is a member of the British parliament. A member of the British Labour Party. He IS the fucking unionist side.

He's just a man who realised even earlier than Margaret thatcher, John major, Tony Blair and bill Clinton that the only way to get a brokered peace in the north was to open a dialogue.

History has proven him correct. If he hadn't broken this ground, the peace process likely would never have happened and we'd now be fighting a war on terror on two fronts instead of one.

We have no way of knowing how many thousands of people owe their lives and their health to brave men of peace like Jeremy corbyn. Be thankful that we have men with his moral courage in politics. It makes it acceptable and possible for murderers like Blair to take the glory for the peace process that corbyn and others made possible.

I've heard some revisionist nonsense on here over the years but this takes the proverbial.
Corbyn never opened any dialogue, he was, and still was, until Labour decided to into go full on left mode, an irritant
from his superglued seat on the backbenches. He was never given any instruction from the Labour hierarchy to 'Open a dialogue,'
he never invited UDA members to parliament, he never had any minutes silences for dead UDA members, he had no power, influence,
or credibility and was just treated as some no mark lefty crackpot at the time, with the full details of his support for the IRA now
only coming to light because of his current position. He did not break any ground, and to suggest that thousands of people owe their lives
to him, is the most audaciously ridiculous thing I've seen on here.
The IRA were broken because the British Army and the RUC had completely compromised their ranks, 9/11
had destroyed their financial support, and this was when the likes of McGuinness had their Damascene moments
and decided that the Peace process was suddenly the way to go.

 

[shemnel]

I'm aware of the net migration figures.

Non-EU migration has indeed gone down. The government can't reduce EU migration whilst part of the EU.

How has she failed on non EU immigration?

It's come down hugely.

You say yourself it's now 164,000 - what was it in 2010?

non EU Immigration:

2010 = 322,000
2016 = 264,000

Net non-EU migration (immigration minus emigration):

2010 = 217,000
2016 = 175,000

 

[jonmcity]

How has she failed on non EU immigration?

It's come down hugely.

You say yourself it's now 164,000 - what was it in 2010?

If and when we sign trade agreements with China, India, Russia they will want agreements in place for immigration and free movement as part of the deals. We will end up with more people eligible to emigrate to the UK.

 

[mancmackem]

Abbot is not skilled enough for cabinet, and a poor decision to put her in there.

But it's the first 'hide away' Labour have done, May has been pretty much non-existent at rallies without a chosen audience.

Labour will still get hit by the move and rightly so, but the woman up for PM hiding away has been much more embarrassing for the Tories.

 

[urban genie]

I am talking in the world, socialism has been around years , where are all the countries in the world doing really well using socialist ideals as a model.

socialist ideals

• China
• Denmark
• Finland
• Netherlands
• Canada
• Sweden
• Norway
• Ireland
• New Zealand
• Belgium

Purely Socialist

• portugal
• cuba
• china
• vietnam
• laos
• denmark

Sure tgeir are others

 

[SWP's back]

If and when we sign trade agreements with China, India, Russia they will want agreements in place for immigration and free movement as part of the deals. We will end up with more people eligible to emigrate to the UK.

Hopefully. I'm a big fan of free movement of labour.

It seems Hammer isn't though.

 

[SWP's back]

socialist ideals

• China
• Denmark
• Finland
• Netherlands
• Canada
• Sweden
• Norway
• Ireland
• New Zealand
• Belgium

Purely Socialist

• portugal
• cuba
• china
• vietnam
• laos
• denmark

Sure tgeir are others

You think China is purely socialist?

And if Ireland has socialist ideals then how come their top rate of income tax is 5% below that of the UK and their corporation tax is 12.5%?

That's the first two issues I have with your list off the top of my head.